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some my friend Chris O'Brien you're the

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co-host again this week because you're

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doing it so well and we so enjoy having

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you in fact some people have been saying

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that you know this may be dangerous you

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know consider this Chris that you and I

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have been working better and better

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together the chemistry is building you

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know the friendship and everything you

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know maybe we've got to stop and quit

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while we're ahead

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you know I guess well you know our other

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co-hosts extremely busy right now it's a

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busy time of year we just got a copy of

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Nick's new book on the NASA cover-ups

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can't wait to read it and get Nick on

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the show to talk about it but he can't

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even get on the show to talk about his

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own book he's so busy it's frustrating

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yeah he actually has a day job that's

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amazing so we do love to talk about NASA

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conspiracies and Nick is telling me that

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he hopes to join us sometime in

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mid-december

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well for one of her episodes so we'll

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definitely schedule that NASA

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conspiracies I wonder what that's about

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maybe for example whether the moon

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landings took place we had some active

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threats and the power cast forms about

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that once upon a time I don't think it's

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happened lately the biggest conspiracy

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is why NASA has kind of given up the

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ghosts there

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they've just abandoned everything but

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that's politics you know there's also

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money yeah they don't want to fund that

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kind of thing nobody cares about the

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space program

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I think et has to land or something has

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to happen to encourage us to look

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spaceward again I mean basically if you

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look at the space program all the things

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we achieved as of 1969 with them

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landing and what's happened since then

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the Space Shuttle is 25 year old

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technology you know though we've gone to

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Mars a couple times and you know we've

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sent some probes Galileo and other

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probes out until cosmos but yeah we in

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terms of actual manned missions it's

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it's pretty great Amman except for you

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know floating around in space and

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putting up exotic technology for the

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military I mean there's really not much

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going on the Space Station's project is

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winding up and boy what can you do and

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you kind of wonder here do they have as

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some have suggested a secret space

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program in other words what we do

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publicly is very simple very basic but

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all that advanced tech technology from

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area 51 maybe it's happening under the

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table secret who knows I would bet money

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on that and in fact there's probably an

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odds maker in Vegas that would make book

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on that one well there's always a book

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for that in fact there's an app for that

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and we had Michael Esposito on the show

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and we were talking about ways that you

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can capture EMF energy possibly get

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voices from beyond we talked about

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buying specific types of equipment to

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accomplish that task but what ladies and

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gentlemen if you can go on to iTunes and

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you have an iPhone and we know that what

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they're 50 or 60 million iPhones there's

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of course the iPod Touch there's the

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iPad there's like 125 or I heard 35

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million people who have these devices

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and can use these products so there is

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an app called power normal recorder

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that's available from some company

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called accel tech and supposedly it

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automates all these processes yeah it

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looks really good there's a cool sort of

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YouTube review of it where the the guy

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goes through all the particular features

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that it has if it performs as advertised

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its it's quite a useful tool you could

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have that at the ready in any given

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situation any time anywhere and it's got

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a Trifield meter it's got a an EVP

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recorder or it's got all sorts of

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interesting with sensing equipment

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built-in I kind of slack-jawed looking

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at the river view it's very interesting

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I think it's a great idea well I'm

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looking at the app now it has not been

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updated in well over a year it's version

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1.0 from September 2009 and one thing

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they tell you in the tech field and we

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don't get into the technology that much

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except for something like possibly

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recording voices from the spirit world

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and that is that when you get a 1.0 app

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it's apt to be buggy right so we find

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the paranormal recorder has mixed

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reviews three stars so it means it's

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okay but you know I don't see that's

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really lighting the fire of many people

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but it's also $2.99 and their refunds so

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no promises but if you want to play with

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it you know it's a rather you know

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trivial expense basically you buy one

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less coffee at Starbucks yeah and you

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know the cost of this other app by the

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way which is cool it's called fake a

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call what fake a call is is that you get

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a phone call from someone you're in the

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middle of talking to somebody you don't

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want to talk to you want to get rid of

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them so a will send you the fake a call

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message you pick up the phone and you

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pretend there's some kind of family

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emergency in you disappear fake a call

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that sounds like a more interesting app

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than power normal recorder well maybe a

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bit more useful perhaps perhaps speaking

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of useful we always promote the power

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cast forums at forum podcast calm and on

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last week's show we were you know kind

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of saddened to see that only one post

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head appeared in the forms about the

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appearance of shock filet I mean highly

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anticipated a great hour spent with

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doctor valet but only one response and

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then the dam broke oh boy I'll say

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yeah with I think the thread has sort of

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I think it devolved into a let's slam

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the idea of the trickster mode which i

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think is kind of interesting because I

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get the impression that some of our more

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skeptical listeners and participants in

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the forum have a I think they think I

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blame everything that happens in reality

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on the trickster and that I'm a total

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believer and I'm I've drunk the

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trickster kool-aid and nothing could be

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further from the truth and I just find

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it really interesting that people think

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that I'm my critical thinking is flawed

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and that how could I possibly believe in

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some of these outlandish

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that are out there including my idea of

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the trickster as being a some sort of

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causal element to paranormal phenomena

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there's so many armchair experts out

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there who don't do their research who

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don't get up to speed on a particular

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subject just sit back and poopoo it or

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slag it and of course the very fact that

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I even say that on the forum in and get

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slag for that is is actually quite

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humorous to me I think there's a lot of

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people out there just like to hear the

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sound of their fingers typing especially

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if they're using a noisy keyboard now

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you remarked before we started that I

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tend to have a rather noisy computer

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keyboard like this yeah you attack it I

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like that actually I'm a keyboard attack

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or two so well I have one of these

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tactile pro keyboards from Mattias and

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that's a plug we're not getting any

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money from them this is the

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old-fashioned Apple extended keyboard

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revisited with a solid mechanical switch

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instead of these thin main brain

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switches yeah it gives you a solid

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keyboard response yeah I love those I

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love wearing the letters off you can't

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wear the letters off this one ashed on

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the keyboard you can't wear them off it

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is just solid thing no I think it's

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about $150 so you know unless you have a

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very generous relative or friend to get

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you a Christmas present it may not

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happen but think of this it could work

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on the Mac it could work on your windows

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more important that when you buy this

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keyboard you don't throw it away in two

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years you know most of the keyboards you

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get with personal computers now worth

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what a dollar and a half and pay less

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you know it's disposable disposable our

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guest is someone not disposable oh boy

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oh this guy you know we've had him on

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the show before but most of the time

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he's a member of the panel yeah

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we're focusing on Jim Mosely door as he

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used to refer to himself James W Mosely

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and he's been in the UFO field for

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something like 60 years almost 60 years

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now that came out like five six years

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ago called shockingly close to the truth

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which tells about his travels in the UFO

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field where he's met the movers and

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shakers from major Donald Kehoe he met

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people like George Adamski the contactee

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Howard Menzer I work with Jim for a

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number of years

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and before I got into commercial radio

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for the first time my first full-time

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job real paid job was as a managing

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editor of Jim's magazine saucer news now

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saucer news is gone today he has

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something called saucer smear and it's

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kind of a jocular look at the UFO field

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serious I'm so serious or as they say in

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the movie The Dark Knight why so serious

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well one thing that you can say is he's

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the he's a trickster if not the

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trickster of ufology he's he kind of

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they broke the mold when Jim came along

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indeed this one-on-one session with Jim

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Mosely is something I really personally

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been looking forward to for a long long

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time and I've spent so many hours over

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the years talking to Jim Mosely they'll

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never be another like Jim Mosely coming

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than him on the planet he's Jim Mosely

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you're in the para cast deep in the para

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and Jim Mosely are you the UFO trickster

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of the ages well I'm only one of them I

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think we Barker was more tricky than I

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am and there have been others I have had

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my share Tracy but let's talk about the

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serious side for a moment and part of

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that is the book you wrote several years

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ago with the lake our flock called

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shockingly close to the truth and this

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is base I guess in some part on the

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Diaries you kept of all your interaction

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in the UFO field I mean you went around

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the country back in the early 1950s

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interviewing the people who were the

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movers and shakers in the field that

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time right yeah well that's right it's

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not continuing diary although I do keep

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a diary but the beginning point of the

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material that we use in our books was

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certainly this vast amount of

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typewritten notes that I made in 1953

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when I did as you just said I went

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around the country from New Jersey where

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I lived I went down to the southern

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route you might say to Australia were

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swimming back or west through central

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part of our country taking about five or

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six weeks and interviewing the people

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that wrote the early books on the

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subject

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others of importance who had made more

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public statements under subject others

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who had made importance saying one of

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the more interesting interviews that I

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had

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with Harry as Truman that is office in

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Missouri which was quite an interesting

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thing you know it's about that let's

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start with harry s truman okay because

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you wonder harry truman UFOs where is

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the synergy what where's the synergy

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where's the connection was it time that

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he had any information or knowledge

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other than the fact that he was

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president when some of the earliest UFO

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cases occurred in the modern era well

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for instance i didn't know anything

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about roswell at the time that I met

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Kerr Truman that was in early 1954 when

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I met him I never heard of Roswell the

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mj-12 documents whatever they may

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allegedly be had not been released yet

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so I didn't have any important specific

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questions to ask Truman but what

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happened was after he left office he had

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a a small office of his own it wasn't

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standard city I always forget the

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mainland or smaller town in Missouri but

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anyway I believe he was actually in the

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phonebook so I called him up and he

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answered the phone I think that was on

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Saturday and I said that I was writing a

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book of flying saucers and I'd like to

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interview them and he said sure he said

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coming Monday morning between nine and

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twelve or something like that so he

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didn't make a different time for an

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appointment but he told me when he would

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be there so I was different then now I

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do very little in the mornings but at

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that time I would get up early and do

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anything I had to do so I was there

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early morning to see Truman and he was

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alone I think he got later that he was

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not alone there were two rooms to the

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office there was someone in the inner

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office through he was keeping waiting

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while he talked to me and that must have

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been the reason where he was rather in a

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hurry I had hoped that he would not be

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in a hurry and when I saw nobody else in

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the outer office at first I thought

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rollers just mean we can take our time

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but he was so kind of rushed and not too

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interested in talking about the subject

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he tried to be polite but he was looking

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forward to the moment

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would go out the door we didn't talk

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more than probably three or four minutes

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I don't remember the whole conversation

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but the main thing that he said to me

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only I don't think he's ever reveal this

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to anyone else he said in regard to UFOs

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he said I've never seen a purple towel I

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never hope to see one and I thought that

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was a revelation of his feelings about

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the subject it's interesting to know

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though that you can actually see a

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former president make an appointment

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with him directly I mean nowadays any

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recent president anyone beyond Truman

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you know those who are still with us

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you'd have to go through the Secret

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Service clearance you'd have to go

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through 77,000 assistants it would be a

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near impossible task but here's a guy

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you can pick up the telephone and call

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him up and said there was no Secret

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Service around there was nobody if I had

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had an interest in there shooting Truman

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I would just put the gun in my pocket or

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when he opened the door I shoot him and

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walk out the door I don't know there was

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an office building so me might hear the

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shot but he had no more protection than

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anybody else in the building was just

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interesting to me and the course later

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was the assassination of Kennedy and all

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the other things that have gone wrong in

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recent years I mean you're right and so

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just from another year another world but

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of course didn't learn anything from him

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except that one comment that one telling

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comment which basically says he thought

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was all a joke

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well yeah if you'd like to hear it I met

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sue in a second time quite a few years

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later I don't remember the exact year

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but I was John in Clarksburg West

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Virginia visiting my friend ray Barker

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and as some of your listeners know bird

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ray and I were friends for many years

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and did various things together which

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we'll go into later for us anyway it was

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in the newspapers that two men was

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coming into town I believe he came in

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support of a Democratic candidate for

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governor it was something like that and

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you know that in politics if you can get

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or any other celebrity to come and make

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a speech in your favor as part of your

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campaign and actually that's a feather

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in your cap so anyway he where he was in

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town for a political reason and he was

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going to have a press conference the

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next day and so gray and I this this was

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the fun part I had a completely state

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press card and in other days there was a

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thing called the accredited press and

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all they did was help a press card to

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another there we go agency at all it was

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just a guy so in charge and the great

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boxer has a movie camera on a tripod and

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for some reason he deliberately did not

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put any film in the channel I asked him

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why and he wouldn't explain it so he

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carries this big tripod and camera with

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him and I had a still camera and I

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accredited press is just saying because

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a created press might be akin to a

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diploma mill you know a diploma mill is

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some place you spend a certain amount of

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money and you get yourself a doctoral

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degree which some people in the UFO

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field who had the name dr. ahead of

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their names they didn't go to a school

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they did classes they simply sent a

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check and got it worries you got a press

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all right well Kevin Randall disputes

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that and let's not argue about Kevin

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Randall because I ranted you know you

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don't accept his degree Kevin Randall

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has gone on limb saying no no no I agree

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there's no argument about anything he

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went to a Correspondence School to get

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his doctorate it wasn't a complete farce

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somebody who says he said to me

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personally whatever type of letter he

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said it's not Harvard but it's better

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than nothing so yeah he has a mail-order

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PhD and as he said better than nothing

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at least you know in that sense you know

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if the degree involved taking the real

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courses and everything you know how can

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you obtain Mosley joining us our cast

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this week our co-host is Chris O'Brien

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[Applause]

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we are joined by my old friend Jim

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Mosely he has saucer smear will tell you

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how to get a copy it's not on the

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newsstand and we're talking about Jim's

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travels through the UFO field through

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the years and we were ending up the

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previous session with discussions of

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Kevin Randall and his mail-order degree

646
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:42,340
right well before that before we got all

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three subjects I was telling about the

648
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second time that I met true in West

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Virginia and so my friend ray Barker and

650
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I went over to his press conference

651
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which we had no business going to but in

652
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those days again

653
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nobody can so this was the fun part they

654
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had a little room where we'll put told

655
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by a dozen of us that we're waiting to

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see through in there and he was taken

657
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normally if you were going to have a

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lecture you have a bartender or

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something but they didn't have one all

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they had was all kinds of hard liquor

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mix and ice and glasses and it was mixed

662
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girl so Boston a great slavishly for

663
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about a half an hour while we were

664
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waiting for Truman and finally someone

665
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came to the door and said the president

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will see you now which is an odd way of

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putting it because he was no longer

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president but anyway we went in to

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another room and sort of a classroom and

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Truman was in the front of the room

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answering questions I'm trying not to be

672
00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:48,250
too long-winded but this was a pretty

673
00:28:52,889 --> 00:28:51,070
good story so he's answering routine

674
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questions from the real members of the

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press and finally Truman says you know

676
00:29:02,159 --> 00:28:59,139
everywhere I go people ask me the same

677
00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:02,169
questions and I just get tired of it

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00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:02,620
either

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00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:04,870
it doesn't anyone here have an

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00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:07,240
interesting question well that was my

681
00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:09,549
cue it's like if I'm a script it was

682
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perfect so I having had a couple of

683
00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:14,769
grapes especially I certainly stood up

684
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and said yes mr. Truman I do have a

685
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question on unusual subjects and when I

686
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:22,059
mentioned briefly that I'd seen him

687
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before

688
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he wouldn't remember it but I started

689
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:26,400
asking him about him

690
00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:29,220
oh I asked him if he had any reason in

691
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the intervening years to change his

692
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,990
opinion about flying saucers and he

693
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:36,480
fielded the questions from our I don't

694
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:38,310
remember his exact words but there was

695
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left or throughout the room I rephrase

696
00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:43,770
the question two or three times and

697
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:45,540
there was more laughter and then I let

698
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it drop and my way out of the door I

699
00:29:52,790 --> 00:29:50,940
shook hands with Truman and Graybar

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coaches are still picture with my camera

701
00:30:02,530 --> 00:29:56,880
and I picture is in shockingly close to

702
00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:05,420
I'm listening with rapt attention Jim in

703
00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:08,280
fact we've got Chris tied to the chair

704
00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:17,790
he can't leave well you know maybe not

705
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:19,800
worth noting but we're going to get as

706
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:22,170
many stories out of you as we can okay

707
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:24,120
so Truman you know might have been fun

708
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:27,410
but not illuminating you also had

709
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,360
encounters with major Donald Kehoe that

710
00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:32,640
weren't always so friendly I gather

711
00:30:39,410 --> 00:30:35,070
now Kehoe is an interesting personage

712
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:39,420
because he was a former military balloon

713
00:30:45,380 --> 00:30:43,110
pilot back in the 1920s he retired at

714
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:45,390
the rank I guess of major he was an

715
00:30:50,270 --> 00:30:47,700
aviation writer he became a UFO writer

716
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:50,280
beginning in 1950 with a book flying

717
00:30:54,290 --> 00:30:52,380
saucers from outer space talk about

718
00:30:56,780 --> 00:30:54,300
being objective as to where they are so

719
00:30:58,580 --> 00:30:56,790
you had some contacts with Kehoe tell us

720
00:31:00,320 --> 00:30:58,590
about that yeah you just told me

721
00:31:03,170 --> 00:31:00,330
something I had never known he was a

722
00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:03,180
balloon pilot that's my recollection

723
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,870
lazy if someone thinks I'm wrong correct

724
00:31:12,650 --> 00:31:08,640
me but I remember it being a balloon

725
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:12,660
pilot yeah well I'm never very

726
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:15,030
interesting it makes him sound ludicrous

727
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:18,720
like never mind I think he's got a lot

728
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:23,630
of hot air yes I I met him twice briefly

729
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:26,730
he I forget how it went but he had heard

730
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:29,010
of me I was trying to write a book on

731
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:32,220
saucers at that time as I mentioned and

732
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:34,440
I was interviewing people I was staying

733
00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:36,840
at a hotel in Washington one time and he

734
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:37,920
came

735
00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:40,380
with an employment I suppose and we

736
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:42,750
talked for a few minutes but rather too

737
00:31:47,150 --> 00:31:44,940
late because I hadn't done anything up

738
00:31:49,940 --> 00:31:47,160
to that point you really annoying him

739
00:31:51,890 --> 00:31:49,950
but he saw me as a rival trying to ride

740
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:51,900
a saucer book while he was trying to

741
00:31:55,910 --> 00:31:54,480
write his second book I guess so it was

742
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:55,920
rather a cool thing and there was

743
00:32:01,640 --> 00:31:58,799
another time I found out where he lived

744
00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:01,650
out in Virginia somewhere and I found a

745
00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:04,350
way I guess I drove up to his house and

746
00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:07,320
appeared suddenly and maybe he was

747
00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:09,179
having a party or something and he saw

748
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:12,419
me and a rather looked horrified and

749
00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:15,600
basically threw me out so those were the

750
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:18,350
only times I met him you know he had a

751
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:21,929
harsh office in Washington DC which I

752
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:24,630
imagine you went to I never dare we went

753
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:27,179
to the nightcap offices but we did meet

754
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:29,490
major Keyhoe in Luray Virginia not in

755
00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:30,840
the caverns you know we heard of the

756
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:34,620
famous Luray Caverns and no eat him

757
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:36,210
there but we met him I think at a diner

758
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:37,679
or something and he seemed like a

759
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,100
pleasant sort this was the same day or

760
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,200
the day before we went to night camp

761
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:45,840
headquarters and Richard Hall was there

762
00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:48,059
and he said you're not welcome here was

763
00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:50,070
he pointed his shaking finger at me oh

764
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:52,830
yes I heard this legendary story I was

765
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,080
not with you but he you were with

766
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:56,880
another couple of guys and he threw you

767
00:33:01,700 --> 00:32:59,700
all out right now on green field I think

768
00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:01,710
Rick hilberg and some other people yeah

769
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:03,630
well what did you doing up to that point

770
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,200
to give him up I never found out I do

771
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:09,120
know that later on we kind of buried the

772
00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:11,460
hatchet but when I wanted to have him on

773
00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:13,470
the power cast I guess it was too late

774
00:33:17,510 --> 00:33:15,780
he wasn't in good health and he wasn't

775
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:17,520
really getting involved in doing radio

776
00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:20,809
appearances this is the mid-1960s and

777
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:23,790
the only thing that happened was that I

778
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:26,940
was working for you I was worth the

779
00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:29,610
opposition I think that was it I think

780
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,559
that must have had something to do with

781
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:34,799
it and also the fact that Richard Hall

782
00:33:40,390 --> 00:33:38,010
who died just recently was I assume a

783
00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:40,400
very uptight guy I don't

784
00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:42,980
I ever formally how the conversation

785
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:45,500
wasn't except once on the telephone he

786
00:33:52,090 --> 00:33:49,250
was at his desk he was managing or

787
00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:52,100
something that I kept I forget his exact

788
00:33:59,890 --> 00:33:55,000
title he was like second in Mensa man to

789
00:34:01,720 --> 00:33:59,900
Shiho and he was a guy Jim you know

790
00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:01,730
Kehoe would come in there once or twice

791
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:04,190
a week as I took it and basically

792
00:34:08,830 --> 00:34:06,110
Richard Hall did all the grunt work

793
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:08,840
Yeah right he was the office manager or

794
00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:11,570
something well I called him about

795
00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:14,600
something and he went paranoid on me

796
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:17,740
this is one of my favorite stories also

797
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:22,610
and he said you're taping this and I

798
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:25,310
said no I'm not taping this and they

799
00:34:30,370 --> 00:34:27,530
went on like there and you know it

800
00:34:32,830 --> 00:34:30,380
pissed me off that he was accusing me or

801
00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:32,840
something that I hadn't done and I

802
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:36,080
screamed at him you're paranoid and I

803
00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:38,210
hung up and that's the only time we ever

804
00:34:43,930 --> 00:34:40,550
talked on the phone the reason it

805
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:43,940
annoyed me is as you would know Jim as

806
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:45,890
you know me better than most people in

807
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:49,010
the field I am a very very non-technical

808
00:34:54,490 --> 00:34:52,010
person I'm not on the internet and I

809
00:34:57,250 --> 00:34:54,500
don't even have voice mail on my

810
00:35:01,870 --> 00:34:57,260
telephone and none of this stuff and I

811
00:35:04,660 --> 00:35:01,880
have never owned a recorder or there

812
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could be used to tape a telephone call

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00:35:11,740 --> 00:35:06,980
and so I was rather righteously

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indignant and I didn't like Hall after

815
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that and vice versa and again as you may

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00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:18,590
recall it's not more than about a year

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00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:22,070
ago no no it'd have to be more than that

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because block was involving maybe about

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five years ago clock was doing some kind

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of an interview with Hall and in regard

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to my book or at the joint Brooks

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o'clock and I had written together and

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00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:41,780
halls comment was about me like a

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steaming turd on the living room carpet

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and I've heard that several times insult

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or smear because I have never been

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insulted in such a colorful way and I

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was really quite a hold on Jim you've

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been insulted in a colorful way what did

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John keel call you no no he called me I

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I heard that for so long I've lost there

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you know the Sabre though he called me a

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boil of the air Serbia foggy and it's

834
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pretty colorful well he he said that

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probably thinking that that would be get

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rid of me or hush me up or something and

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what I did to get even with him I put

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that on the mascara sausage smear every

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few months for years

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he basically extolled the virtues of

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959
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is John burrows one of the witnesses to

960
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:15,180
the Rendlesham UFO incident you're

961
00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:17,099
listening to the podcast the gold

962
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:28,410
Jim Mosely joining us the publication of

963
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:30,970
saucer smear Chris O'Brien's the co-host

964
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:32,470
I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the power

965
00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:35,770
cast going back to Kehoe now there was

966
00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:37,420
one other thing where there was a source

967
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:39,340
of opposition between you and he and

968
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:43,150
that was you were able to actually see

969
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:46,480
Air Force project Bluebook sightings but

970
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:47,950
he had to get them through a second

971
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:49,810
source you got into the office and

972
00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:52,210
actually took notes right yeah well

973
00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:54,670
that's a very interesting story it was

974
00:42:00,420 --> 00:41:57,400
just a really an accident in a matter of

975
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:00,430
timing but this really drove sake he

976
00:42:07,110 --> 00:42:05,650
fell off the wall he had a friend you

977
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:07,120
know kind of gun there was always a

978
00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:10,210
junior officer at the saucer desk and I

979
00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:12,360
think it was out shopping at that time

980
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:15,670
the guy on the desk and he who was

981
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:18,610
friendly with him which Kehoe could not

982
00:42:25,590 --> 00:42:20,890
come in and see the actual project were

983
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:25,600
book volumes but chopper would read him

984
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:29,290
portions of certain cases over the phone

985
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:33,220
I mean like a cheese or something so he

986
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:34,930
just would have to jot down whatever

987
00:42:40,770 --> 00:42:38,230
chop said I guess well going on from

988
00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:40,780
there I forget exactly when it was but I

989
00:42:47,790 --> 00:42:44,020
just went into the Pentagon and I didn't

990
00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:47,800
know anybody but I found the little

991
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:50,500
office where where the saucer desk so to

992
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:53,350
speak was and no it was a different

993
00:42:59,490 --> 00:42:55,510
officer that I saw not shot but anyway

994
00:43:03,300 --> 00:42:59,500
they said you come on in and these are

995
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:03,310
the project Bluebook reports I think it

996
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:07,030
went from about 1 to 12 or something

997
00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:10,930
and over period of a few years and then

998
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:13,240
it stopped at that point that's another

999
00:43:17,850 --> 00:43:15,850
story so anyway the ones that they have

1000
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:17,860
here which were presumably once or

1001
00:43:22,530 --> 00:43:21,130
twelve I was able to look at I couldn't

1002
00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:22,540
take them out of the office or

1003
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:27,100
photograph them but I could copy any of

1004
00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:28,840
them that I wanted or all of them and

1005
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,150
they liked me sit a desk and gave me a

1006
00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:33,280
typewriter and I came in two or three

1007
00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:36,280
days in a row and I copied everything

1008
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:37,000
that I wanted

1009
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:40,570
and then I stopped coming in well when

1010
00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:42,910
Kino heard about that he would a

1011
00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:45,820
ballistic I mean because here again his

1012
00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:47,830
arrival had gotten something but he had

1013
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:51,369
never gotten and he made such a stink

1014
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:53,920
about that probably was higher-ups in

1015
00:43:59,570 --> 00:43:56,650
the Pentagon but for all intents and

1016
00:44:02,880 --> 00:43:59,580
purposes those pockets were reclassified

1017
00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:02,890
no one but me ever was able to come in

1018
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:05,470
and do that because by the time the next

1019
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:07,570
person might have gotten there Kehoe had

1020
00:44:14,010 --> 00:44:10,810
lowered the boom so so basically Donald

1021
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:14,020
can create his own silence group by

1022
00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:17,770
becoming obnoxious yeah for someone that

1023
00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:21,670
was so heavily yelling about information

1024
00:44:26,730 --> 00:44:24,220
on saucers being given to the public it

1025
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:26,740
didn't seem that he was really anxious

1026
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:32,890
for it to happen in that way yeah Wow so

1027
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:34,390
why are we go so of course you talked

1028
00:44:38,460 --> 00:44:36,609
about the silence group about how the

1029
00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:38,470
air force was so busy hiding information

1030
00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:41,470
from people like Donald Kehoe and maybe

1031
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:45,220
in part maybe in part it was because of

1032
00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:49,210
the fact that he raises stink because of

1033
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:51,700
his interactions with Jim Mosely how

1034
00:45:02,400 --> 00:44:54,010
history has been impacted by your

1035
00:45:04,740 --> 00:45:02,410
presence here chuckling in the

1036
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,750
background so most three years your

1037
00:45:10,109 --> 00:45:07,359
co-host who is apparently either has a

1038
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,119
voice just like yours gene or else he is

1039
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:12,640
muted because I am NOT are you there

1040
00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:15,180
Chris yeah I'm here Oh believe me I'm

1041
00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:18,550
alright you sound just like gene listen

1042
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:20,920
I know you've written some good books

1043
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:23,920
and I actually read their most of one of

1044
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:25,450
them they're the one about that Canyon

1045
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:26,650
in Colorado

1046
00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:28,750
yeah the San Luis Valley you read the

1047
00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:30,190
mysterious valley actually and you gave

1048
00:45:35,730 --> 00:45:33,190
me a good review which actually was

1049
00:45:38,190 --> 00:45:35,740
quite gratified that you did and thank

1050
00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:38,200
you again for that well you win several

1051
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:40,540
books and I understand from gene well I

1052
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:42,490
think even in the books that you were

1053
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,490
writing in earlier days you were what I

1054
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,920
would call 4d is showing is sort of like

1055
00:45:51,809 --> 00:45:49,119
me or not

1056
00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:51,819
a nuts-and-bolts car you think it's more

1057
00:45:56,190 --> 00:45:53,470
complex than that right oh absolutely

1058
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:56,200
there's no question in my mind well I

1059
00:46:01,319 --> 00:45:58,440
hope we get into that later because

1060
00:46:04,609 --> 00:46:01,329
anyone who's sort of liberated like that

1061
00:46:08,489 --> 00:46:04,619
I enjoy talking to I'm getting tired of

1062
00:46:11,789 --> 00:46:08,499
it has to be interplanetary or else you

1063
00:46:13,769 --> 00:46:11,799
go to hell that type of attitude you

1064
00:46:15,329 --> 00:46:13,779
know gets to me after the law

1065
00:46:17,849 --> 00:46:15,339
well well for me you've been a real

1066
00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:17,859
inspiration and and I think your

1067
00:46:22,289 --> 00:46:20,440
attitude and the gleam in your eye and

1068
00:46:24,029 --> 00:46:22,299
the sparkle in your retorts have been a

1069
00:46:26,999 --> 00:46:24,039
real inspiration for me over the years

1070
00:46:28,349 --> 00:46:27,009
and it's really it's really quite a it's

1071
00:46:32,579 --> 00:46:28,359
an honor and a pleasure to have you on

1072
00:46:34,529 --> 00:46:32,589
the show and it able to talk and this is

1073
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:34,539
not a eulogy Jim we want to have you on

1074
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:37,210
the show many many more times yep well

1075
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:39,400
after I croak I'm not gonna come back on

1076
00:46:44,099 --> 00:46:42,640
except I'm very completely well we'll

1077
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:44,109
have a no we G board session and we'll

1078
00:46:47,609 --> 00:46:45,849
get you get you back on that way yeah

1079
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,619
what man can do this is have a Ouija

1080
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:49,119
board session where we hook you up with

1081
00:46:56,839 --> 00:46:53,529
Richard Hall well where he is I think

1082
00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:56,849
it's rather warm I don't know if you can

1083
00:47:01,979 --> 00:46:59,400
everything directly but we could try

1084
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:01,989
preventional summer I'm not sure if it's

1085
00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:04,450
warm but it's definitely crusty yeah all

1086
00:47:08,970 --> 00:47:07,150
right let's go back to the 1950s now you

1087
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,980
took this trip for the purpose of

1088
00:47:13,259 --> 00:47:11,200
writing a book but the book never came

1089
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:13,269
to pass at least at that time what

1090
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:16,390
happened well I don't really know what

1091
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:20,099
happened at the beginning I knew a

1092
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:23,890
adventure writer named 1015 and I met

1093
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:26,710
him in 1953 and he was going to

1094
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,170
co-author a book with me and he was a

1095
00:47:34,289 --> 00:47:31,599
published author he wrote for true and

1096
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:34,299
Argosy very frequently in that period of

1097
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:37,390
time and those were big magazines in

1098
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:39,190
those days and paid the probably a

1099
00:47:45,089 --> 00:47:41,529
couple of thousand dollars for article

1100
00:47:47,549 --> 00:47:45,099
which kept this 15 gave them a

1101
00:47:49,769 --> 00:47:47,559
livelihood for a period of years and

1102
00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:49,779
understand today if you write for a

1103
00:47:54,329 --> 00:47:51,940
magazine most magazines you'd be lucky

1104
00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:54,339
to get a fraction of that yeah and not

1105
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:55,960
only that you know with the inflation

1106
00:48:01,140 --> 00:47:58,480
and all that was equal to a much larger

1107
00:48:04,789 --> 00:48:01,150
sum in today's money

1108
00:48:08,370 --> 00:48:04,799
what $2,000 in 1955 is one like eight

1109
00:48:11,010 --> 00:48:08,380
$10,000 today I would assume so yeah but

1110
00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:11,020
anyway so I was impressed too because he

1111
00:48:15,539 --> 00:48:12,849
was a published writer and I wasn't and

1112
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:15,549
he he was an interesting very amusing

1113
00:48:20,849 --> 00:48:18,130
guy and I liked him look that's another

1114
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:20,859
long story so anyway he said well yeah

1115
00:48:27,630 --> 00:48:24,250
we'll write a sorcerer book together you

1116
00:48:31,019 --> 00:48:27,640
go out you mostly go out get all the

1117
00:48:33,029 --> 00:48:31,029
material you know if I look back on it

1118
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:33,039
he he had already sort of set it up in

1119
00:48:38,099 --> 00:48:36,190
his favor I go around my time to

1120
00:48:41,099 --> 00:48:38,109
experience and get all the material and

1121
00:48:43,289 --> 00:48:41,109
then you know he'll return me as

1122
00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:43,299
co-author and press rewriter read

1123
00:48:47,819 --> 00:48:45,160
something of his own and then we would

1124
00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:47,829
have a jointly written book well

1125
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:49,660
actually it didn't turn out there were

1126
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:51,720
he and I had a falling out and I

1127
00:48:56,849 --> 00:48:54,250
realized very quickly because what he

1128
00:49:00,029 --> 00:48:56,859
had in mind was something absurd that

1129
00:49:02,130 --> 00:49:00,039
would ridicule the subject completely he

1130
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:02,140
said he had no serious interest in it

1131
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:06,160
and was not a serious guy in any sense

1132
00:49:12,359 --> 00:49:09,250
of the word so it just did not work out

1133
00:49:16,829 --> 00:49:12,369
and after that I didn't really push the

1134
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:16,839
idea too much I tried Henry Holt once I

1135
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:19,599
sent a couple of chapters in an outline

1136
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,450
I remember and Henry Holt was a keen

1137
00:49:27,089 --> 00:49:24,880
horse publisher which is another reason

1138
00:49:30,779 --> 00:49:27,099
perhaps he hated me neither heard that I

1139
00:49:33,059 --> 00:49:30,789
sent to him and they turned me down but

1140
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,069
very gently they said we'd be interested

1141
00:49:37,950 --> 00:49:35,680
in your book but we're just getting

1142
00:49:42,569 --> 00:49:37,960
ready to publish another book by major

1143
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:42,579
Kino so he beeping on that particular

1144
00:49:48,269 --> 00:49:45,609
round and his second or third book came

1145
00:49:50,819 --> 00:49:48,279
out and my first book didn't so I never

1146
00:49:53,730 --> 00:49:50,829
got serious about it again until 45

1147
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:53,740
years later approximately and I had

1148
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:55,930
gotten to know Carlock and we came very

1149
00:50:02,480 --> 00:49:58,960
close with him slaughter most people

1150
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:02,490
don't realize had been a science-fiction

1151
00:50:08,609 --> 00:50:06,640
book and had he was also a ghost writer

1152
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:08,619
he was a very good writer but he didn't

1153
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:10,440
have the reputation

1154
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:12,540
some other people had so he didn't post

1155
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:15,569
written two or three books forego

1156
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,890
remember the names of them but I think

1157
00:50:21,319 --> 00:50:18,960
they were mainly in the science fiction

1158
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:21,329
field but in the meanwhile he was

1159
00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:24,089
seriously interested in saucers and he

1160
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:26,430
had been involved in a small way with

1161
00:50:32,770 --> 00:50:28,980
nice haplar going last poor guy so

1162
00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:32,780
worried and I worked out a agreement to

1163
00:50:39,859 --> 00:50:36,990
more or less slippery royalties for for

1164
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:39,869
this book and it was perfect in

1165
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,089
collaboration I mean we would mail

1166
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:44,160
chapters back and forth to each other

1167
00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:46,410
and discuss the details of the telephone

1168
00:50:52,579 --> 00:50:50,040
we never had any trouble a few occasions

1169
00:50:55,339 --> 00:50:52,589
we had a disagreement I would just give

1170
00:50:57,290 --> 00:50:55,349
and am because it's Jesus not older in

1171
00:50:59,180 --> 00:50:57,300
years but he's more experienced than I

1172
00:51:01,550 --> 00:50:59,190
and knows more what he's talking about

1173
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:01,560
so we did it his way and it worked out

1174
00:51:05,780 --> 00:51:03,900
beautifully I understand something here

1175
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:05,790
ladies and gentlemen she mostly doesn't

1176
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:08,280
own a computer he uses a typewriter the

1177
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:10,380
old-fashioned way you know I saw an

1178
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:12,450
episode of the TV show lie to me where

1179
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:14,940
Tim Roth plays this doctor who could

1180
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:16,920
look at your facial expressions and your

1181
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:18,510
hand movements to know if you're lying

1182
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,220
and he uses a regular typewriter Jim

1183
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:22,440
mostly uses a regular typewriter in fact

1184
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:23,490
we have a question

1185
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:25,260
in our forums about where he gets the

1186
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,760
ribbons or something like that we'll go

1187
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,839
into that in a moment

1188
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:30,240
Jim Mosley he wrote the book with late

1189
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,310
Carl flock called shockingly close to

1190
00:51:35,569 --> 00:51:34,079
the truth I mentioned there are a few

1191
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,579
times therefore I love the book it's

1192
00:51:39,859 --> 00:51:37,680
great anyway if I wasn't in there he's

1193
00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:39,869
editor of saucers here the co-host is

1194
00:51:46,270 --> 00:51:42,150
Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're

1195
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:53,910
[Music]

1196
00:51:59,560 --> 00:51:56,740
welcome back to the pear cast the gold

1197
00:52:04,280 --> 00:51:59,570
standard of paranormal radio and now

1198
00:52:04,290 --> 00:52:08,790
[Music]

1199
00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:11,770
do you notice Jim how the timing has

1200
00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:12,440
worked out

1201
00:52:16,329 --> 00:52:14,180
Chris is maybe a hundred thirty miles

1202
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:16,339
from me but we have that timing so

1203
00:52:21,550 --> 00:52:19,359
perfect we've rehearsed it for hours

1204
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:21,560
isn't it just astounding Jim Mosely

1205
00:52:25,150 --> 00:52:23,089
joins us Chris O'Brien is the co-host

1206
00:52:27,819 --> 00:52:25,160
I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the power

1207
00:52:30,670 --> 00:52:27,829
cast for our number two jim has been

1208
00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:30,680
taking us on his great path so we had

1209
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:33,260
question enough forums here about you

1210
00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:34,609
know you're using a standard typewriter

1211
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,900
where do you get typewriters where you

1212
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:38,000
get typewriter ribbons well before we go

1213
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,320
to that it's amazing how a I guess this

1214
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:44,960
is an example of missing time you just

1215
00:52:52,569 --> 00:52:49,730
said our number two but to mean we're

1216
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:52,579
only halfway through our number one yeah

1217
00:52:57,069 --> 00:52:54,290
but you seem to understand first of all

1218
00:53:00,040 --> 00:52:57,079
Jim is that you know when the show is

1219
00:53:02,530 --> 00:53:00,050
broadcast there will be a five-way news

1220
00:53:06,250 --> 00:53:02,540
break there will be commercials so

1221
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:06,260
therefore in the end that 40 minutes or

1222
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:08,930
so that we consumed of the first hour is

1223
00:53:14,109 --> 00:53:12,050
an hour okay because we did and segment

1224
00:53:16,450 --> 00:53:14,119
talking about you behind your back so

1225
00:53:17,890 --> 00:53:16,460
that's yeah well I I kind of suspected

1226
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:17,900
that but I thought I'd give you a chance

1227
00:53:23,290 --> 00:53:20,990
to explain your unique message making

1228
00:53:25,210 --> 00:53:23,300
time disappear well yes we do nursing

1229
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:25,220
time here as a matter of fact we're

1230
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:26,810
going to have to abduct Jim I think

1231
00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:29,530
after all the hours how are you leaving

1232
00:53:34,359 --> 00:53:32,540
abducted you were asking me how I get

1233
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:34,369
the rivers well that's a very

1234
00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:38,089
interesting question the answer is these

1235
00:53:45,099 --> 00:53:40,910
ribbons aren't made anymore but I know a

1236
00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:45,109
guy with a shop here that sells

1237
00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:48,220
computers and and all kinds of

1238
00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:50,630
stationery products you might say kind

1239
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:53,180
of like it was small of his max type of

1240
00:53:59,470 --> 00:53:56,450
operation and he has a lot of

1241
00:54:01,450 --> 00:53:59,480
contacts and if he doesn't have in stock

1242
00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:01,460
the kind of ribbon I want he knows where

1243
00:54:08,860 --> 00:54:04,630
the order is funny enough I have a dozen

1244
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:08,870
ribbons on order from him right now

1245
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,450
because I figure as time goes by it's

1246
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,520
going to get harder and harder to get

1247
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:15,920
these ribbons and I might as well just

1248
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,470
have enough so that I can figure that I

1249
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:20,240
have more than enough for the time that

1250
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,210
I have left to use you know and also you

1251
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:25,040
have one or two spare typewriters too

1252
00:54:29,170 --> 00:54:27,290
don't you yeah I am a total of four

1253
00:54:31,540 --> 00:54:29,180
characters I think they're all so much

1254
00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:31,550
for always I have by the way a

1255
00:54:36,670 --> 00:54:34,070
smith-corona electronic typewriter from

1256
00:54:38,590 --> 00:54:36,680
the 1980s and I don't know if it's still

1257
00:54:40,570 --> 00:54:38,600
operational I guess you can still get

1258
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:40,580
the ribbons or cartridges for it

1259
00:54:43,930 --> 00:54:42,650
it actually has built-in memory but you

1260
00:54:46,420 --> 00:54:43,940
could use it like a regular typewriter

1261
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:46,430
maybe someday if you really need another

1262
00:54:53,530 --> 00:54:49,810
typewriter let me know it's yours

1263
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:53,540
all I know is three of these the ribbon

1264
00:54:59,350 --> 00:54:56,810
slides in from the side right and I've

1265
00:55:02,140 --> 00:54:59,360
got a bunch of those ribbons for the

1266
00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:02,150
future and then the other one has just

1267
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:04,190
the two spools which is the more

1268
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:06,410
standard things the old fashioned way

1269
00:55:08,770 --> 00:55:07,370
right Yeah right

1270
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:08,780
and you never considered you know

1271
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:10,610
getting a basic computer and learning

1272
00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:15,050
how to use a word processor no I mean

1273
00:55:21,850 --> 00:55:18,620
it's just more trouble to me than it's

1274
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:21,860
worth and it works for me fine this way

1275
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:25,090
you I've been doing it on the same

1276
00:55:31,810 --> 00:55:28,370
typewriter for so long but you know I

1277
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,820
really know what I'm doing and it's easy

1278
00:55:36,250 --> 00:55:34,160
for me and I don't want to change it

1279
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:36,260
okay I have some more questions by the

1280
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:39,710
way from the forums and I'll throw one

1281
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:41,210
or two more out from you and then we'll

1282
00:55:46,690 --> 00:55:44,720
get into other aspects here so why pull

1283
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:46,700
off such silly acts and that's the

1284
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:48,710
tricks that you and gray bark are

1285
00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:52,090
engaged in it only adds UFO history of

1286
00:55:57,130 --> 00:55:55,070
nonsense regarding fraud stir activities

1287
00:55:59,380 --> 00:55:57,140
from other individuals so did you think

1288
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,390
when you started doing things like for

1289
00:56:03,250 --> 00:56:01,040
example the strafe letter and we'll get

1290
00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:03,260
into what that means in a moment did you

1291
00:56:08,350 --> 00:56:06,020
think doing stuff like that just makes

1292
00:56:09,730 --> 00:56:08,360
it worse to get UFOs to be taken

1293
00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:09,740
seriously

1294
00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:12,940
well yes and no first of all our

1295
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:16,430
supposedly serious motive was to stir up

1296
00:56:21,099 --> 00:56:19,250
the saucer field because at the time of

1297
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:21,109
the straight letter I'm trying to

1298
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:25,070
remember I think that was 1957 the

1299
00:56:30,790 --> 00:56:27,530
excitement of the early fifties had sort

1300
00:56:33,849 --> 00:56:30,800
of died down and you know we thought we

1301
00:56:37,690 --> 00:56:33,859
should do what we could to keep the part

1302
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:37,700
stirring or whatever and secondly yes it

1303
00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:41,390
adds a confusion but it also adds a lot

1304
00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:44,270
of interesting side effects and my

1305
00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:46,990
intention all along was to confess

1306
00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:49,700
eventually which would make the whole

1307
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:51,800
thing right here you can hoax people for

1308
00:56:58,170 --> 00:56:54,650
a while but if you eventually admit it I

1309
00:57:00,520 --> 00:56:58,180
think that you know is good enough

1310
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:00,530
confessionals good for the soul but you

1311
00:57:05,290 --> 00:57:02,450
know let's go back here you know you're

1312
00:57:07,089 --> 00:57:05,300
a serious guy young man you're going out

1313
00:57:09,130 --> 00:57:07,099
there and you're in your early 20s you

1314
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:09,140
take this trip to possibly put together

1315
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,510
information for a book ok the book

1316
00:57:16,060 --> 00:57:13,280
didn't come to pass but then you came

1317
00:57:19,329 --> 00:57:16,070
out with the publication Nexus which you

1318
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:19,339
then converted to saucer news but you

1319
00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:21,170
took a less than serious attitude

1320
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:24,230
personally towards a subject why did you

1321
00:57:30,310 --> 00:57:26,810
become discouraged the book what is yeah

1322
00:57:33,310 --> 00:57:30,320
I was so much a decision but you know my

1323
00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:33,320
format now in the successes are social

1324
00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:36,790
news which is sauce or smear is still

1325
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:40,760
one of slight humor

1326
00:57:46,510 --> 00:57:43,810
innuendo etc I take the subject

1327
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:46,520
seriously but I don't take myself all

1328
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:48,770
that seriously and I like to enjoy

1329
00:57:55,810 --> 00:57:51,950
myself before you interrupted me I was

1330
00:57:58,510 --> 00:57:55,820
about to tell you that I told I remember

1331
00:58:01,089 --> 00:57:58,520
very distinctly once I told Greg Barker

1332
00:58:02,170 --> 00:58:01,099
I said because he was a good deal older

1333
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:02,180
than I was

1334
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:05,119
and I said you know if you die before I

1335
00:58:11,950 --> 00:58:09,290
do I am going to confess about the space

1336
00:58:14,290 --> 00:58:11,960
letter and he said oh he said why would

1337
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,300
you want to do that and I said well

1338
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:16,400
because you know there was a long time

1339
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:19,010
ago now and people have been questioning

1340
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:19,760
about it

1341
00:58:27,610 --> 00:58:24,110
swelling and so forth everybody it's

1342
00:58:30,430 --> 00:58:27,620
okay that all that happened but they do

1343
00:58:33,460 --> 00:58:30,440
deserve to know the truth eventually and

1344
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:33,470
make everything right and indeed I

1345
00:58:41,770 --> 00:58:37,570
remember the Barker died in December of

1346
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:41,780
1984 and in the first issue of my

1347
00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:45,770
magazine in January of 1985 I have been

1348
00:58:51,220 --> 00:58:48,230
succession for the straight letter so

1349
00:58:53,740 --> 00:58:51,230
that was the right thing to do and I

1350
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:53,750
would do the letter again and I do a

1351
00:58:56,650 --> 00:58:54,770
confessional

1352
00:58:59,800 --> 00:58:56,660
did you do any other hoaxes other than

1353
00:59:03,940 --> 00:58:59,810
the strength letter yes letting to do it

1354
00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:03,950
is there was one film that we took of a

1355
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:07,220
saucer in flight what really happened

1356
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:10,730
was a Barker knew a young man let's say

1357
00:59:15,220 --> 00:59:12,650
a train and I just you happen to know

1358
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:15,230
this fellow because we need to meet he

1359
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:17,450
needed three people for this I believe I

1360
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:22,400
was driving the car Barker was leaning

1361
00:59:29,980 --> 00:59:25,760
out the window from the death scene so

1362
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:29,990
called and the kid was on the roof of

1363
00:59:37,060 --> 00:59:34,130
the car with a miniature saucer about

1364
00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:37,070
six inches in diameter at the end of a

1365
00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:38,030
fishing pole

1366
00:59:43,210 --> 00:59:41,300
we needed the he's three people was a

1367
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:43,220
minimum that we should use so the car

1368
00:59:50,410 --> 00:59:45,890
was moving and the saucer was moving and

1369
00:59:52,420 --> 00:59:50,420
so on a team out on film to be quite

1370
00:59:56,310 --> 00:59:52,430
interesting in some parts of it were

1371
00:59:59,860 --> 00:59:56,320
obviously a model but Java parser

1372
01:00:02,440 --> 00:59:59,870
assumed it was a real saucers ruling

1373
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:02,450
around in the sky so we cut that ahead

1374
01:00:09,970 --> 01:00:06,710
of it and I used that film in my college

1375
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:09,980
lectures for a number of years it also

1376
01:00:16,570 --> 01:00:13,610
got around quite a bit and I was amused

1377
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:16,580
and amazed one time there was a saucer

1378
01:00:22,450 --> 01:00:19,010
documentary that was not one of the

1379
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:22,460
really well-done ones it was a slush job

1380
01:00:29,319 --> 01:00:25,609
or selfishly but in the

1381
01:00:32,430 --> 01:00:29,329
I'm the headlines behind the writing at

1382
01:00:36,759 --> 01:00:32,440
the beginning and end of this

1383
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:36,769
documentary was the Lost Creek saucer

1384
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:39,049
that was what's the name of this donor

1385
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:40,880
Winchester and there it was this was

1386
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:42,890
years later I thought my god

1387
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:46,400
getting some part of saucer history it's

1388
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,410
almost like Willie Meyer photos and the

1389
01:00:52,989 --> 01:00:50,480
wedding cake photos were I think they

1390
01:00:56,109 --> 01:00:52,999
used the covers of garbage cans or

1391
01:00:58,599 --> 01:00:56,119
something like that well I wondered

1392
01:01:00,819 --> 01:00:58,609
about in fact I wondered they're just in

1393
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:00,829
the most recent smear that you may or

1394
01:01:05,470 --> 01:01:03,650
may not of read I I don't believe in

1395
01:01:07,029 --> 01:01:05,480
Meyers pictures were mainly said they're

1396
01:01:10,989 --> 01:01:07,039
too good to be true but on the other

1397
01:01:13,450 --> 01:01:10,999
hand billing Meijer has only one arm he

1398
01:01:16,329 --> 01:01:13,460
lost his other I guess his left arm and

1399
01:01:19,269 --> 01:01:16,339
a accident quite a few years back when

1400
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:19,279
he was a young man and I wondered if

1401
01:01:25,779 --> 01:01:23,569
these are models and let's just be you

1402
01:01:28,029 --> 01:01:25,789
wants about I mean if he has to throw

1403
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:28,039
these up in the air and take the picture

1404
01:01:33,279 --> 01:01:30,559
how does he do it with one arm very

1405
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,289
simple M he has help and we need help

1406
01:01:37,809 --> 01:01:35,599
right now lots of help because through

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frozen bank accounts confiscation of

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government intervention for this reason

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1511
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:37,950
deeper and deeper and deeper and even

1512
01:06:42,589 --> 01:06:40,020
deeper than that she Mosley joining us

1513
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:42,599
I'm Jean Steinberger in the power cast

1514
01:06:49,579 --> 01:06:45,210
Chris why don't you throw a few

1515
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:49,589
questions Jim's way this is so much fun

1516
01:06:54,349 --> 01:06:52,290
for me you know one of the things that I

1517
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:54,359
like to ask some of the original

1518
01:06:59,329 --> 01:06:56,760
participants in the in the UFO field

1519
01:07:01,700 --> 01:06:59,339
from the fifties is is Jim what about

1520
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:01,710
the contactees I mean there are quite a

1521
01:07:05,809 --> 01:07:03,569
number of them some more popular and

1522
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:05,819
well-known than others do youth what

1523
01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:07,319
what is your feeling about the whole

1524
01:07:12,170 --> 01:07:10,140
contact D movement first of all and then

1525
01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:12,180
kind of a follow-up question to that is

1526
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:14,790
is do you think that any of these

1527
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,440
contact these actually had a real

1528
01:07:21,799 --> 01:07:19,200
experience or real experiences well the

1529
01:07:24,609 --> 01:07:21,809
simple answer is probably they didn't in

1530
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:24,619
general I would think that these were

1531
01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:28,440
well-meaning people somewhat spiritual

1532
01:07:37,210 --> 01:07:32,579
somewhat religious deciding to put their

1533
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:37,220
liberal ideas across in a way that would

1534
01:07:43,940 --> 01:07:40,500
be more meaningful to people than just

1535
01:07:46,370 --> 01:07:43,950
their own opinion in other words if I go

1536
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:46,380
and say we need to be in the atom bomb

1537
01:07:51,530 --> 01:07:48,660
we need to make peace with the other

1538
01:07:55,069 --> 01:07:51,540
nations on earth and so on and so forth

1539
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:55,079
we need to save our environment nobody's

1540
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:57,930
gonna pay attention to me but if I say I

1541
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:01,200
met a space person who told me those

1542
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:04,170
things then that becomes very very rare

1543
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:06,329
an interesting story and people will pay

1544
01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:07,710
attention to it you know

1545
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:10,140
I'll get my point across I think that

1546
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:11,910
sort of a general statement that would

1547
01:08:17,539 --> 01:08:14,880
apply to most of them a band of course

1548
01:08:18,769 --> 01:08:17,549
they enjoyed publicity and profit if

1549
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:18,779
anybody would

1550
01:08:23,660 --> 01:08:21,449
well how about some of the lesser known

1551
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:23,670
ones like for instance Truman bathroom

1552
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:27,690
that particular case always intrigued me

1553
01:08:33,169 --> 01:08:29,880
simply for the fact that he actually

1554
01:08:35,329 --> 01:08:33,179
wrote an entire book of love poetry to

1555
01:08:37,630 --> 01:08:35,339
or arranged the diminutive captain of a

1556
01:08:39,970 --> 01:08:37,640
ship that he supposedly was interacting

1557
01:08:46,860 --> 01:08:39,980
and it was all done in rhyming couplets

1558
01:08:50,290 --> 01:08:46,870
it was quite a difficult thing in it I

1559
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:50,300
mean I did meet through the bathroom at

1560
01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:53,120
least once out of giant rock as some of

1561
01:08:58,980 --> 01:08:56,060
your listeners know giant rock

1562
01:09:02,500 --> 01:08:58,990
California was out on the Southern

1563
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:02,510
California desert and for a number of

1564
01:09:09,190 --> 01:09:05,930
years in the 50s and 60s a another

1565
01:09:12,010 --> 01:09:09,200
contracting named George Van Tassel used

1566
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:12,020
to have huge outdoor gatherings of

1567
01:09:19,450 --> 01:09:16,480
people who were contactees or were

1568
01:09:22,090 --> 01:09:19,460
sympathetic to to that point of view and

1569
01:09:25,270 --> 01:09:22,100
these were wonderful conventions are a

1570
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:25,280
few of which I attended well anyway I

1571
01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:29,089
did meet trimming the bedroom that had

1572
01:09:33,310 --> 01:09:31,190
at least one of those in fact I put his

1573
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:33,320
picture on the cover of my magazine once

1574
01:09:38,860 --> 01:09:36,170
he was getting remarried at that time

1575
01:09:41,050 --> 01:09:38,870
and I happened to be there I think they

1576
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:41,060
had a little ceremony out of the block

1577
01:09:47,890 --> 01:09:44,410
he had his first wife divorced him

1578
01:09:50,020 --> 01:09:47,900
because or arranged for the space woman

1579
01:09:53,650 --> 01:09:50,030
that he was allegedly shining on with

1580
01:09:55,930 --> 01:09:53,660
she was another woman yeah all arranged

1581
01:09:59,200 --> 01:09:55,940
were the other woman were the others

1582
01:10:01,960 --> 01:09:59,210
something she was Captain to show I

1583
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:01,970
believe who claimed that they had never

1584
01:10:06,670 --> 01:10:05,090
actually had intercourse which of course

1585
01:10:08,620 --> 01:10:06,680
nobody believed if you're going to

1586
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:08,630
believe it or Raines at all you would

1587
01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:10,970
assume there was intercourse but I

1588
01:10:16,750 --> 01:10:12,740
thought it was amusing but because of

1589
01:10:18,730 --> 01:10:16,760
that he had to get remarried and I wish

1590
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:18,740
I could remember the exact wording I put

1591
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:22,400
his picture on the cover of saucer news

1592
01:10:30,940 --> 01:10:29,360
and something about his two of his first

1593
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:30,950
love or something and then I said

1594
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:35,210
although as we know his first love is

1595
01:10:41,230 --> 01:10:38,690
money and something sarcastic along that

1596
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:41,240
line it was very

1597
01:10:47,950 --> 01:10:44,330
I felt like level word again when I did

1598
01:10:51,790 --> 01:10:47,960
have sort of a humorous but negative

1599
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:51,800
attitude toward the contactees of one of

1600
01:10:56,590 --> 01:10:54,410
the things that I did which would be

1601
01:10:59,980 --> 01:10:56,600
time-consuming to go back over but I

1602
01:11:01,540 --> 01:10:59,990
wrote an expose of George Adamski the

1603
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:01,550
most famous for the contact he's

1604
01:11:07,650 --> 01:11:04,370
probably the most famous expose of all

1605
01:11:11,260 --> 01:11:07,660
yeah I'm very disappointed I hardly ever

1606
01:11:14,110 --> 01:11:11,270
see that referred to anymore but I had a

1607
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,120
whole special issue of the saucer news

1608
01:11:19,570 --> 01:11:15,920
devoted to this

1609
01:11:22,330 --> 01:11:19,580
Gasca expose there's no doubt about the

1610
01:11:26,650 --> 01:11:22,340
fact that most if not all of his

1611
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:26,660
versions were made up but more so it was

1612
01:11:35,230 --> 01:11:31,310
shown that he had written a book years

1613
01:11:39,190 --> 01:11:35,240
before the 1950s that was very some more

1614
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:39,200
to his second book inside the spaceship

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01:11:47,380 --> 01:11:43,690
in other words a fictional books from

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01:11:50,260 --> 01:11:47,390
years earlier became basically a true

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01:11:51,670 --> 01:11:50,270
book later which is sort of hard to do I

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01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:51,680
and that's really interesting I had no

1619
01:11:58,230 --> 01:11:55,610
idea that's pretty that's a pretty

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01:12:01,540 --> 01:11:58,240
indicative I think of the actual

1621
01:12:03,670 --> 01:12:01,550
veracity of his later works well you

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01:12:06,250 --> 01:12:03,680
know I'm sure you can find it somewhere

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01:12:09,010 --> 01:12:06,260
on the internet because every single on

1624
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:09,020
earth is somewhere on the Internet

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01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:12,410
the well I forget the number of it but

1626
01:12:18,220 --> 01:12:15,470
it was January I guess 1955 the special

1627
01:12:21,250 --> 01:12:18,230
edition of saucer news devoted to the

1628
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:21,260
Adamski expose and there's a lot of

1629
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,270
detail on there it was the only serious

1630
01:12:28,740 --> 01:12:26,000
research that I ever really did and I I

1631
01:12:31,540 --> 01:12:28,750
just went around in Southern California

1632
01:12:33,310 --> 01:12:31,550
interviewing and the other witnesses

1633
01:12:35,950 --> 01:12:33,320
that were with them when he had this

1634
01:12:40,090 --> 01:12:35,960
experience from the desert that the

1635
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:40,100
first book is about and I saw the other

1636
01:12:43,930 --> 01:12:42,590
people like the guy that develops his

1637
01:12:46,930 --> 01:12:43,940
pictures and so on

1638
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,940
and there's no smoking gun but it makes

1639
01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:49,520
it very obvious that this thing probably

1640
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:52,070
can happen the way advanced he said of

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01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:52,570
there

1642
01:12:58,680 --> 01:12:56,320
quoted

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01:13:00,360 --> 01:12:58,690
Adamski is saying sometimes to get the

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01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:00,370
truth in you had to go through the back

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01:13:04,170 --> 01:13:00,910
door

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01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:04,180
well yeah that was one of my that was

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01:13:10,770 --> 01:13:07,600
almost exposing John one of the dancies

1648
01:13:13,410 --> 01:13:10,780
for former friends with a guy named

1649
01:13:16,260 --> 01:13:13,420
Gerald Baker who is our title is in

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01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:16,270
Southern California and while was one of

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01:13:23,700 --> 01:13:18,840
the lesser figures in the orbit around

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01:13:24,150 --> 01:13:23,710
Jesse and they exchanged a number of

1653
01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:24,160
letters

1654
01:13:30,090 --> 01:13:26,500
baiser became disillusioned with the

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01:13:34,020 --> 01:13:30,100
danske later on and contributed in quite

1656
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:34,030
a lot to my expose and the one thing

1657
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:35,890
that he continued that was just what

1658
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:37,510
you're talking about he sent me a

1659
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:39,850
photostat of this letter and written

1660
01:13:45,660 --> 01:13:43,570
from a Jerry to him from private period

1661
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:45,670
in their probably mid systems and it

1662
01:13:49,620 --> 01:13:48,880
says some days sometimes you have to use

1663
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:49,630
the back door

1664
01:13:54,420 --> 01:13:53,110
to get the truth across however if I

1665
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:54,430
mere and on for a moment

1666
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:56,890
I think that's top like something would

1667
01:14:00,840 --> 01:13:58,960
happen on the wall gosh oh can I tell

1668
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:00,850
this one I'll tell you what before we go

1669
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:02,320
into that because we're going to have to

1670
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,330
break in a moment tell our listeners

1671
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:06,880
that long john nibble is pretty much the

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01:14:11,190 --> 01:14:09,130
creator of the paranormal radio show

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:11,200
format I mean people nowadays think art

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01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:13,690
Bell of course and coast to coast that

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01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:15,970
was it but no there would be no art Bell

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01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:18,760
or George Noory or even the para cast if

1677
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:21,310
there wasn't first Long John Nebel a

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01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:24,640
former carnival barker his original name

1679
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:27,310
was John Zimmerman I understand but he

1680
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:29,050
changed it to Nebel which was I think a

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relatives name that kind of thing we're

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01:14:35,130 --> 01:14:32,260
getting to more of that and this

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01:14:37,620 --> 01:14:35,140
experience with Adamski Long John

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01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:37,630
Jim Mosely editor of saucers smear

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01:14:41,790 --> 01:14:39,490
joining us this week the co-host is

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Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're

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[Music]

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out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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relentless perplexing nightmares

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nightmares of a horrific battle in deep

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I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

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cast and before we go into the show with

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Long John tell us about Long John he was

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a character in another himself well he

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had an all-night radio show on wor which

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was a clear channel

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50,001 station in New York City and it

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covered a good deal of the East Coast so

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it was a big show and highly popular it

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01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:03,730
went from midnight to 5:00 a.m. I think

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01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:05,650
every night of the week although so much

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01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:08,380
they were on tape but I was just going

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01:20:13,109 --> 01:20:10,210
to tell you about there's one time I was

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01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:13,119
on with George Adamski advance he would

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01:20:18,750 --> 01:20:15,489
suggest early evening and I was one of

1816
01:20:22,770 --> 01:20:18,760
the panel's I guess it's not a new

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01:20:24,299 --> 01:20:22,780
concept certainly but I mean John always

1818
01:20:27,689 --> 01:20:24,309
had a guest of the evening and then

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01:20:31,950 --> 01:20:27,699
there were there was a pool or maybe 20

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01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:31,960
or 30 people who John was more or less

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01:20:36,540 --> 01:20:34,510
friendly with and he chews through the

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01:20:39,299 --> 01:20:36,550
four of them to be the panelists run on

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01:20:41,759 --> 01:20:39,309
a given night so one of the times that

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01:20:44,430 --> 01:20:41,769
he had a gas Keanu and since I was

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01:20:48,259 --> 01:20:44,440
involved with the dance he put me on as

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01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:48,269
a palace however John always took the

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01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:52,239
light or pretty much hugged for himself

1828
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:55,210
during the first hour so the show that

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would be the only time that a lot of

1830
01:21:01,080 --> 01:20:59,019
people would be listening because by one

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01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:01,090
o'clock in the morning the same people

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01:21:06,209 --> 01:21:03,130
are going to bed because they have to

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get up the next day so it wasn't our

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01:21:12,750 --> 01:21:09,340
about two o'clock at least that I got a

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chance to talk and wizard what is a

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dress he I I slept George I have read

1837
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:22,239
that you claim that two and two are five

1838
01:21:29,009 --> 01:21:24,250
and this is true he had made the screen

1839
01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:29,019
and I said can you please tell me how

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01:21:35,459 --> 01:21:32,289
much to in two years and this is the

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01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:35,469
classic answer he said two and two can

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be either four five or six depending on

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01:21:44,410 --> 01:21:40,969
the circumstances

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and I said thank you George and I just

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let it go or die because I didn't say

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01:21:53,410 --> 01:21:50,180
yeah what can you say what can you say

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01:21:56,020 --> 01:21:53,420
that would rub it in any harder than

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that and whoever may have been awake at

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that time if they had any question about

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Georgia - yeah because I was harder for

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them now John was also a kind of

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temperamental kind of guidance listen

1853
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:12,620
yes he was I I mean many many examples

1854
01:22:20,770 --> 01:22:17,170
go somewhere come to mind but he was a

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power stripper he was a jingle maniac I

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didn't want her at all but it was sort

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of the only show in town and I enjoyed

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01:22:32,430 --> 01:22:29,750
the ego pleasure being on the tree it

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01:22:36,939 --> 01:22:32,440
was one mystery it comes to mind

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01:22:38,290 --> 01:22:36,949
eventually there were two shows like

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01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:38,300
each other

1862
01:22:47,580 --> 01:22:43,730
the John moved from Delia law to WNBC I

1863
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:47,590
think for a while and James Randi a

1864
01:22:52,270 --> 01:22:50,330
magician who I used to be very firmly

1865
01:22:55,930 --> 01:22:52,280
with him I'm not anymore

1866
01:22:58,150 --> 01:22:55,940
but he I got some air Randi I forget how

1867
01:23:02,830 --> 01:22:58,160
I met her in the beginning but Henry

1868
01:23:06,910 --> 01:23:02,840
he had a rival show to John for about a

1869
01:23:09,939 --> 01:23:06,920
year or so and I had had this had some

1870
01:23:14,170 --> 01:23:09,949
trouble with John and hadn't been on the

1871
01:23:16,770 --> 01:23:14,180
show for a while so I went on Randy show

1872
01:23:19,630 --> 01:23:16,780
knowing that John had an ironclad rule

1873
01:23:21,490 --> 01:23:19,640
if you ever went on Randy show or any

1874
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:21,500
other rival show you could never be on

1875
01:23:26,740 --> 01:23:23,930
his again and I didn't share because I

1876
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:26,750
hadn't been on lately I have so I seen a

1877
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:30,560
regular on the Randy show well Randy

1878
01:23:34,810 --> 01:23:32,570
finally got kicked off the air of the

1879
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:34,820
long story after a year or so so going

1880
01:23:42,459 --> 01:23:38,000
back to one show and I was indeed a man

1881
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:42,469
without a show however in 1966 King door

1882
01:23:47,410 --> 01:23:45,440
Marsh - saying he likes saying a

1883
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:47,420
wholesome girl having to do

1884
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:51,410
some sightings of UFOs in Michigan which

1885
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:53,210
may or may not have been Marsh gas

1886
01:23:58,689 --> 01:23:56,210
that's their whole story itself anyway a

1887
01:24:03,640 --> 01:23:58,699
sausage suddenly became extremely big

1888
01:24:07,060 --> 01:24:03,650
news in in the mainstream and I as the

1889
01:24:09,790 --> 01:24:07,070
only organization devoted to sausage

1890
01:24:14,290 --> 01:24:09,800
that was listed in the Manhattan New

1891
01:24:16,180 --> 01:24:14,300
York phonebook became a sort of a public

1892
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:16,190
figure for a while all of the networks

1893
01:24:20,919 --> 01:24:18,290
called me for a statement about flying

1894
01:24:23,260 --> 01:24:20,929
saucers and I got out of all kinds of

1895
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:23,270
shows eventually I got a big college

1896
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:27,110
lecture circuit also but the point is at

1897
01:24:32,590 --> 01:24:30,050
that time you see a hatchet I had said I

1898
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:32,600
would never be on the show again he

1899
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:35,690
called me he says now I was a bigger

1900
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:38,090
person and it was worth having me on the

1901
01:24:43,780 --> 01:24:41,360
show he invited me back on and I was

1902
01:24:46,150 --> 01:24:43,790
forgiven and we kissed and made up and

1903
01:24:49,419 --> 01:24:46,160
it was just a beautiful thing not really

1904
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:49,429
I hope now I'm not in front of anyone at

1905
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:52,610
least but that sure bird isn't it yeah I

1906
01:24:57,250 --> 01:24:54,170
wouldn't kissed him but boy she only

1907
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:57,260
kissed his wife well which one he had

1908
01:25:02,560 --> 01:24:59,600
paralyzed oh he did I was speaking of

1909
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:02,570
candy she's been eyeing me girls I knew

1910
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:06,170
her very well also very nice when I got

1911
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:08,510
to know her eventually she had her own

1912
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:11,600
show after John died and I was on her so

1913
01:25:16,450 --> 01:25:13,910
I wrote I was Arthur now there's a look

1914
01:25:17,979 --> 01:25:16,460
out that came out I don't know somewhere

1915
01:25:22,180 --> 01:25:17,989
around this period called the control of

1916
01:25:24,910 --> 01:25:22,190
candy Jones where supposedly she almost

1917
01:25:29,020 --> 01:25:24,920
had a double personality or a double

1918
01:25:31,900 --> 01:25:29,030
life and she was an alleged CIA agent

1919
01:25:35,530 --> 01:25:31,910
what was this all about well I never

1920
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:35,540
read the book but you know the story

1921
01:25:40,780 --> 01:25:37,760
yeah yeah well I just want to tell you

1922
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:40,790
just one aspect of it that was a very

1923
01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:44,449
strange story indeed and I thought it

1924
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,910
might be or some kind of a hoax because

1925
01:25:51,070 --> 01:25:48,560
it was written by

1926
01:25:55,690 --> 01:25:51,080
one of long-johns cronies I can't

1927
01:25:58,660 --> 01:25:55,700
remember the guys name now room bomb

1928
01:26:01,570 --> 01:25:58,670
bombs already they're fairly famous

1929
01:26:03,970 --> 01:26:01,580
writer that everybody anyway I I really

1930
01:26:05,820 --> 01:26:03,980
wanted about this and and just to be

1931
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:05,830
brief this is I think very interesting

1932
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:09,440
how best to find out about that book

1933
01:26:14,350 --> 01:26:12,110
with masks hear me judge well I was on

1934
01:26:16,660 --> 01:26:14,360
our show several times and each time

1935
01:26:19,210 --> 01:26:16,670
that I was on it at five o'clock in the

1936
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:19,220
morning a limousine that was supposed to

1937
01:26:24,850 --> 01:26:21,770
come and take candy up and take her to

1938
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:24,860
her condo which loosely in midtown

1939
01:26:29,620 --> 01:26:27,650
Manhattan know when there's no traffic

1940
01:26:32,770 --> 01:26:29,630
like that just a few minutes drive for

1941
01:26:34,990 --> 01:26:32,780
Mysterio and I finally started to

1942
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,000
realize that there was no limousine I

1943
01:26:39,700 --> 01:26:37,520
was religious so I didn't mind because

1944
01:26:42,670 --> 01:26:39,710
it gave me and a chance to talk to a

1945
01:26:46,150 --> 01:26:42,680
Chandi privately off the air and two

1946
01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:46,160
different times I asked her what was the

1947
01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:48,590
truth about that book that you're

1948
01:26:55,930 --> 01:26:51,640
talking about and she said to me

1949
01:27:00,220 --> 01:26:55,940
basically she said Jim I can't say that

1950
01:27:04,330 --> 01:27:00,230
the book is not true all I can tell you

1951
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:04,340
is I have absolutely no recollection of

1952
01:27:11,070 --> 01:27:07,730
any of that which is a nice way of

1953
01:27:14,050 --> 01:27:11,080
saying that the book was a clock which I

1954
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:14,060
later learned from other people that it

1955
01:27:21,450 --> 01:27:16,850
indeed was a crock and that's the whole

1956
01:27:26,830 --> 01:27:24,130
you can laugh out loud if you're sure

1957
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:26,840
did we lose gene yeah before we go to

1958
01:27:30,910 --> 01:27:28,370
break I'll give you a little time to

1959
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:30,920
think about this one I be in the past

1960
01:27:34,270 --> 01:27:32,330
though seven eight years have become

1961
01:27:37,300 --> 01:27:34,280
quite friendly and close with Ray

1962
01:27:42,940 --> 01:27:37,310
Stamford who I feel it was a very

1963
01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:42,950
enigmatic person in the field yes yeah

1964
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:44,450
well I would like to hear that story

1965
01:27:50,110 --> 01:27:47,090
when we come back but one of the things

1966
01:27:52,030 --> 01:27:50,120
that I found are fascinating speaking

1967
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:52,040
with people like yourself and Jane and

1968
01:27:56,410 --> 01:27:54,110
Ray and others that I've met who

1969
01:27:58,690 --> 01:27:56,420
we're actually in involved in the field

1970
01:28:01,060 --> 01:27:58,700
back in the sixties even the fifties is

1971
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:01,070
that it doesn't seem like things really

1972
01:28:05,650 --> 01:28:03,920
have changed that much in many ways and

1973
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:05,660
I'd like love to hear that race the

1974
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:07,910
effort story when we return now some of

1975
01:28:11,290 --> 01:28:09,770
our listeners wonder why we have to do

1976
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,300
cliffhangers while we have to break

1977
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:13,520
every 9 10 11 minutes well you know

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01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:16,400
commercial radio we have to pause for

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01:28:21,460 --> 01:28:18,890
our benefactors and so we try our level

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01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:21,470
best to continue with the discussion

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after the announcements of course now we

1982
01:28:30,970 --> 01:28:28,460
have the matter of race 10 vert which

1983
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can be a whole couple of episodes in

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01:28:36,130 --> 01:28:34,220
itself into the race Stanford story Jim

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Mosley's our guest Chris our Brian's the

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co-host I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the

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[Applause]

2097
01:33:15,509 --> 01:33:13,059
we return with Jim Mosely editor of

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01:33:18,750 --> 01:33:15,519
saucers smear and we're talking about

2099
01:33:20,969 --> 01:33:18,760
his life and times in the UFO field wild

2100
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and wooly we don't know Chris O'Brien's

2101
01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:22,869
the co-host I'm Jean Steinberg you're M

2102
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the para cast Jim tell us about race

2103
01:33:30,029 --> 01:33:28,150
Stanford yes you know again you're

2104
01:33:32,370 --> 01:33:30,039
setting me up but even without knowing

2105
01:33:35,429 --> 01:33:32,380
it with certain stories that I find

2106
01:33:37,859 --> 01:33:35,439
interesting and and you lead me into

2107
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them so that's very good

2108
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:41,019
well raised and referred was a strange

2109
01:33:45,779 --> 01:33:43,689
guy indeed I'm sure but this was my

2110
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:45,789
experience with him we were just talking

2111
01:33:51,359 --> 01:33:48,880
about candy Jones's radio show after

2112
01:33:54,509 --> 01:33:51,369
John time it was on WMCA

2113
01:33:56,429 --> 01:33:54,519
in New York and that again was a five

2114
01:33:59,879 --> 01:33:56,439
hour show from midnight to 5:00 a.m.

2115
01:34:02,969 --> 01:33:59,889
well one night I was the only panelists

2116
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:02,979
and Ray Stafford was on so it's just the

2117
01:34:08,819 --> 01:34:06,010
three of us for two of us in candy and I

2118
01:34:10,379 --> 01:34:08,829
I don't remember all good but cool of

2119
01:34:13,140 --> 01:34:10,389
course a candy did most of the talking

2120
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:13,150
she was asking a very different

2121
01:34:18,179 --> 01:34:15,760
questions about his saucer research and

2122
01:34:23,060 --> 01:34:18,189
so on I think there had been some

2123
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:23,070
question about he had a very expensively

2124
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first laboratory somewhere in Texas I

2125
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believe that had cost a couple of

2126
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million dollars to set up and there was

2127
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a lot of question about where that money

2128
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come from came from and who was backing

2129
01:34:41,609 --> 01:34:39,699
him and was there some secret plot going

2130
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on I don't know all of that but I do

2131
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:44,489
remember that the candy was asking him

2132
01:34:50,189 --> 01:34:47,489
different questions along that line and

2133
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:50,199
possibly implying that there might have

2134
01:34:56,429 --> 01:34:53,170
been something wrong with the funding of

2135
01:34:58,739 --> 01:34:56,439
that lab there was an appreciation where

2136
01:35:00,179 --> 01:34:58,749
you know this could be something to hide

2137
01:35:04,589 --> 01:35:00,189
here and something that would be worth

2138
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:04,599
trying to delve into and at but in 90s I

2139
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:07,570
at a certain point maybe two or three

2140
01:35:13,379 --> 01:35:11,110
hours into the show we became enraged

2141
01:35:15,359 --> 01:35:13,389
and I said oh what he said before he

2142
01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:15,369
walked off but he was physically

2143
01:35:21,029 --> 01:35:18,280
literally walked off the show and he

2144
01:35:22,620 --> 01:35:21,039
went into the control room he wanted to

2145
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:22,630
get back in the

2146
01:35:28,650 --> 01:35:26,530
release inside before going on and that

2147
01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:28,660
confuses me because I never signed any

2148
01:35:33,390 --> 01:35:31,510
any release before going on any show

2149
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:33,400
that I've ever been on but apparently he

2150
01:35:37,950 --> 01:35:35,440
had I can't explain that part of it but

2151
01:35:40,410 --> 01:35:37,960
he blames of the control room and the

2152
01:35:42,750 --> 01:35:40,420
only guy there was an engineer here

2153
01:35:44,490 --> 01:35:42,760
there was one technician that have had

2154
01:35:46,770 --> 01:35:44,500
to be there obviously throughout the

2155
01:35:49,740 --> 01:35:46,780
show and he wanted to get his release

2156
01:35:53,130 --> 01:35:49,750
back he got into a physical fight with

2157
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:53,140
the engineer and he said here's crash

2158
01:35:57,390 --> 01:35:56,800
bang boom ahead and and we are still on

2159
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:57,400
the air

2160
01:36:04,770 --> 01:36:01,360
and I said to him I said the bass

2161
01:36:06,930 --> 01:36:04,780
fishing total commercial so we did and

2162
01:36:09,480 --> 01:36:06,940
then I said like either what are we

2163
01:36:13,710 --> 01:36:09,490
going to do I said I'm scared to go in

2164
01:36:16,130 --> 01:36:13,720
there and confront him surgically so we

2165
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:16,140
just let it go and finally he he Connors

2166
01:36:22,020 --> 01:36:19,090
released by I saw Herrmann but there's

2167
01:36:24,150 --> 01:36:22,030
crumpled piece of paper in his hand and

2168
01:36:26,610 --> 01:36:24,160
he's turned out the Jordan or left the

2169
01:36:29,130 --> 01:36:26,620
studio and what the area and I heard

2170
01:36:31,950 --> 01:36:29,140
later that he came back after we'd all

2171
01:36:34,890 --> 01:36:31,960
gone home and he had flowers for candy

2172
01:36:37,410 --> 01:36:34,900
he wanted to make up well there's a guy

2173
01:36:40,620 --> 01:36:37,420
that you could say has a real mental

2174
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:40,630
problem and that was my experience which

2175
01:36:47,580 --> 01:36:45,040
really favored yeah he's ray is very

2176
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:47,590
temperamental and I must say that you

2177
01:36:51,930 --> 01:36:49,360
know I mean he actually got very close

2178
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:51,940
to him over the years that you do at

2179
01:36:56,250 --> 01:36:54,730
times have to tread on you know tread

2180
01:37:04,830 --> 01:36:56,260
very carefully around him he is very

2181
01:37:06,830 --> 01:37:04,840
temperamental yeah that was project

2182
01:37:09,380 --> 01:37:06,840
starlight and he did have some very well

2183
01:37:12,270 --> 01:37:09,390
you know very wealthy benefactors who

2184
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:12,280
actually bought the land I think they

2185
01:37:16,890 --> 01:37:14,770
had 40 acres outside of Austin they

2186
01:37:19,050 --> 01:37:16,900
bought the land and they were able to

2187
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:19,060
outfit it with donations from some very

2188
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:22,210
wealthy benefactors who were part of

2189
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:24,370
project starlight and I think a couple

2190
01:37:30,210 --> 01:37:26,770
of them are actual directors back then

2191
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:30,220
applause why would they choose ray well

2192
01:37:33,690 --> 01:37:30,730
because

2193
01:37:35,700 --> 01:37:33,700
you know ray is a very brilliant guy you

2194
01:37:37,890 --> 01:37:35,710
know I have like I said gotten very

2195
01:37:39,900 --> 01:37:37,900
close to him he's been working for quite

2196
01:37:43,130 --> 01:37:39,910
a number of years on some theories

2197
01:37:47,130 --> 01:37:43,140
having to do with magneto hydrodynamics

2198
01:37:49,020 --> 01:37:47,140
and some of the optical physical and the

2199
01:37:53,550 --> 01:37:49,030
analysis of optical physics that he's

2200
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:53,560
done is is cutting edge in terms of UFO

2201
01:38:01,500 --> 01:37:58,480
science he has well he doesn't

2202
01:38:04,650 --> 01:38:01,510
that all kind of fell by the wayside I

2203
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:04,660
guess in the late 70s early 80s he does

2204
01:38:09,860 --> 01:38:06,880
have all his films that he's taken over

2205
01:38:12,660 --> 01:38:09,870
the years and he's been analyzing them

2206
01:38:16,650 --> 01:38:12,670
religiously for he's put in over 10,000

2207
01:38:18,450 --> 01:38:16,660
hours analyzing his his visual data he

2208
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:18,460
just met with a world-class physicist

2209
01:38:24,630 --> 01:38:21,760
who I'm not allowed to name several

2210
01:38:27,690 --> 01:38:24,640
weeks ago and blew him out of the water

2211
01:38:30,090 --> 01:38:27,700
I've seen some of the correspondents ray

2212
01:38:33,570 --> 01:38:30,100
even though he is very mercurial he's

2213
01:38:36,690 --> 01:38:33,580
very temperamental very difficult crusty

2214
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:36,700
in some ways he is an absolute off the

2215
01:38:41,610 --> 01:38:39,040
scale brilliant man his observational

2216
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:41,620
acuity is second to none I know of no

2217
01:38:44,940 --> 01:38:44,410
other person with his observational

2218
01:38:47,670 --> 01:38:44,950
skills

2219
01:38:51,150 --> 01:38:47,680
he's multi-disciplined in is his

2220
01:38:53,070 --> 01:38:51,160
approach to his scientific applications

2221
01:38:59,820 --> 01:38:53,080
including paleontology

2222
01:39:01,440 --> 01:38:59,830
I mean he's totally rewritten he does

2223
01:39:03,570 --> 01:39:01,450
not have any degrees of course his

2224
01:39:07,890 --> 01:39:03,580
brother Rex his twin identical twin

2225
01:39:10,860 --> 01:39:07,900
brother yes I know yeah I was really

2226
01:39:12,510 --> 01:39:10,870
glad you say it fell by the way well I'm

2227
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:12,520
not sure they probably ended up

2228
01:39:16,380 --> 01:39:14,770
parceling it off I've never really asked

2229
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:16,390
him what happened all the gear he does

2230
01:39:19,740 --> 01:39:18,370
have the recording magnetometer they had

2231
01:39:23,340 --> 01:39:19,750
I think he has the gravimeter

2232
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:23,350
he does have some of the gear but again

2233
01:39:28,770 --> 01:39:26,110
I think a lot of the video equipment for

2234
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:28,780
instance is so obsolete that it would be

2235
01:39:35,310 --> 01:39:32,410
you know worthless now I'm not sure what

2236
01:39:37,050 --> 01:39:35,320
happened to the actual land it probably

2237
01:39:38,370 --> 01:39:37,060
reverted back to the person that donated

2238
01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:38,380
the money for it that would be my guess

2239
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:39,940
I don't know but

2240
01:39:44,939 --> 01:39:43,410
ray is still very very much involved in

2241
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:44,949
his brother

2242
01:39:51,330 --> 01:39:48,250
I think together had an experience you

2243
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:51,340
was at Padre Island or something back in

2244
01:39:56,490 --> 01:39:53,650
the fifties yeah and they wrote that up

2245
01:39:59,610 --> 01:39:56,500
for sake magazine if I'm not mistaken

2246
01:40:01,979 --> 01:39:59,620
and and that was one of the very early

2247
01:40:04,350 --> 01:40:01,989
saucer stories and that was a unique it

2248
01:40:06,510 --> 01:40:04,360
was very interesting yeah yeah and he's

2249
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:06,520
some he's very very sensitive some

2250
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:08,050
people say he's psychic he doesn't

2251
01:40:13,650 --> 01:40:10,449
really claim that but he does claim that

2252
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:13,660
he is able to feel some sort of magnetic

2253
01:40:17,610 --> 01:40:15,610
field when these objects are round and

2254
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:17,620
over the years he's been able to get

2255
01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:20,290
dozens of films of UFOs not videos but

2256
01:40:26,130 --> 01:40:23,199
films of course he's very very close to

2257
01:40:27,660 --> 01:40:26,140
the vest with he's a little on the

2258
01:40:30,209 --> 01:40:27,670
paranoid side when it comes to people

2259
01:40:31,650 --> 01:40:30,219
stealing his ideas you know the

2260
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:31,660
borrowing his work without permission

2261
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:34,480
that sort of thing you know I mean we

2262
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:37,210
all we all have our picadillo zan ray of

2263
01:40:41,660 --> 01:40:39,840
course has he has but he really is

2264
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:41,670
extremely sensitive extremely

2265
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:45,370
observational and you know I I have seen

2266
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:48,880
the results of his work and it is it is

2267
01:40:54,060 --> 01:40:52,000
very very impressive if you can

2268
01:40:57,090 --> 01:40:54,070
understand keep up keep up with him and

2269
01:40:59,160 --> 01:40:57,100
understand the science he doesn't have a

2270
01:41:01,200 --> 01:40:59,170
degree of course his brother Rex is one

2271
01:41:03,660 --> 01:41:01,210
of the top pair of psychologists for

2272
01:41:06,450 --> 01:41:03,670
many years was a professor emeritus and

2273
01:41:08,700 --> 01:41:06,460
tenured at I think st. John's and was a

2274
01:41:12,110 --> 01:41:08,710
head of the department out there and was

2275
01:41:18,540 --> 01:41:12,120
president of the Paris para psychologies

2276
01:41:20,820 --> 01:41:18,550
Society pretty young I think raise 70

2277
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:20,830
now 71 you know well that's interesting

2278
01:41:27,180 --> 01:41:25,570
well anyway I think in my story it does

2279
01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:27,190
oh yeah I could see I definitely could

2280
01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:30,070
see that happening I've gotten his

2281
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:33,100
hackles up more in a few occasions so we

2282
01:41:36,959 --> 01:41:35,050
had ray on a couple of times in the

2283
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:36,969
power cast the first time we were

2284
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:38,770
talking about the saqqara New Mexico

2285
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:42,010
case and at one point we try to you know

2286
01:41:47,010 --> 01:41:44,050
obviously we have to do breaks every so

2287
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:47,020
often for our commercial benefactors and

2288
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:49,690
I tried to cut off the conversation for

2289
01:41:52,819 --> 01:41:51,610
a break and he pretty much threatened to

2290
01:41:57,770 --> 01:41:52,829
leave

2291
01:42:02,510 --> 01:41:57,780
yes sounds like you know his big crew

2292
01:42:05,839 --> 01:42:02,520
was his book about the toil and every

2293
01:42:09,859 --> 01:42:05,849
time sicko is disgusting death

2294
01:42:12,410 --> 01:42:09,869
his name comes up I'm very interested in

2295
01:42:14,780 --> 01:42:12,420
me and control myself and know a little

2296
01:42:18,620 --> 01:42:14,790
bit about it and I do think it was a

2297
01:42:20,419 --> 01:42:18,630
genuine UFO event I don't know where the

2298
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:20,429
little men are from but they're from

2299
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:22,650
somewhere and I think that's what

2300
01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:25,760
happened but there's a guy named Anthony

2301
01:42:32,930 --> 01:42:29,520
regalia who's entered the UFO field and

2302
01:42:34,939 --> 01:42:32,940
just the last few years and he got me

2303
01:42:36,740 --> 01:42:34,949
annoyed I effect I wrote a letter to

2304
01:42:40,060 --> 01:42:36,750
Battaglia Dulles

2305
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:40,070
he got me annoyed by insisting that the

2306
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:44,250
Socorro incident was a prank by college

2307
01:42:50,180 --> 01:42:47,489
students at New Mexico Tech who didn't

2308
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:50,190
like the more than the policemen

2309
01:42:55,129 --> 01:42:53,130
involved and who did this as a hoax or a

2310
01:42:58,609 --> 01:42:55,139
joke or whatever and you know there is

2311
01:43:00,530 --> 01:42:58,619
just no evidence or is no way it's a

2312
01:43:02,209 --> 01:43:00,540
long story well you know again I don't

2313
01:43:06,740 --> 01:43:02,219
want to get long-winded since you have

2314
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:06,750
so many breaks here but I knew what's

2315
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:07,530
his first name

2316
01:43:15,649 --> 01:43:13,050
professor charles moore of the mobile

2317
01:43:18,049 --> 01:43:15,659
project mogul during which again it's a

2318
01:43:19,609 --> 01:43:18,059
long story what Jim let's do that story

2319
01:43:22,339 --> 01:43:19,619
in our next segment let's cover that a

2320
01:43:25,069 --> 01:43:22,349
little bit mostly editor of saucer smear

2321
01:43:27,020 --> 01:43:25,079
and before we resume in the next segment

2322
01:43:28,549 --> 01:43:27,030
we'll also have you give the address so

2323
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:28,559
people can get a copy and find out more

2324
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:30,570
about it Chris O'Brien's the co-hosts

2325
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:32,880
I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the para

2326
01:43:36,290 --> 01:43:43,820
[Music]

2327
01:43:49,470 --> 01:43:46,680
welcome back to the pear cast the gold

2328
01:43:57,810 --> 01:43:49,480
standard of paranormal radio and now

2329
01:43:59,580 --> 01:43:57,820
here's Jean Steinberg by missing time

2330
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:59,590
were in the final hour of the power cast

2331
01:44:03,899 --> 01:44:01,360
Jim Mosley's the guest I'm Jean

2332
01:44:06,419 --> 01:44:03,909
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

2333
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:06,429
you're in the air now before we broke

2334
01:44:11,310 --> 01:44:08,800
Jim Moseley was about to tell us a story

2335
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:11,320
further story about someone I guess

2336
01:44:16,590 --> 01:44:13,690
involved in the Saqqara investigation

2337
01:44:19,890 --> 01:44:16,600
yeah well I don't know everybody knows

2338
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:19,900
what suppose it was but very briefly

2339
01:44:28,770 --> 01:44:24,239
it's 1964 out in the New Mexico desert

2340
01:44:31,229 --> 01:44:28,780
there was a very loud UFO which is

2341
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:31,239
unusual for them to be loud and it's

2342
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:34,290
landed near the China Sea call a

2343
01:44:42,660 --> 01:44:38,530
policeman named Lonnie Zamora happened

2344
01:44:45,780 --> 01:44:42,670
to be on patrol in his patrol car and he

2345
01:44:48,330 --> 01:44:45,790
got with him a few guards I was saying

2346
01:44:51,649 --> 01:44:48,340
before I finally took all the most

2347
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:51,659
interesting part was it's too small

2348
01:44:57,450 --> 01:44:54,639
humanoids in coveralls whooshing and

2349
01:44:58,919 --> 01:44:57,460
next to the craft it said one point and

2350
01:45:02,280 --> 01:44:58,929
then they hopped back into the truck

2351
01:45:05,580 --> 01:45:02,290
before or less so that has always been

2352
01:45:08,189 --> 01:45:05,590
assumed to be an unknown Jael I hiked

2353
01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:08,199
was out there himself investigating in

2354
01:45:13,530 --> 01:45:10,719
and he he admitted he didn't know what

2355
01:45:15,899 --> 01:45:13,540
it was and one of the other desiccators

2356
01:45:18,990 --> 01:45:15,909
indeed was Ray Stafford and he wrote a

2357
01:45:21,810 --> 01:45:19,000
book about it he was called what's it

2358
01:45:23,970 --> 01:45:21,820
called something in a pentagon an

2359
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:23,980
tricycle saucer in the Pentagon pantry's

2360
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:26,770
last okay right right but okay nice so

2361
01:45:32,700 --> 01:45:29,770
getting to this disguise Anthony Bergara

2362
01:45:35,790 --> 01:45:32,710
and Rishi was stirring up all kinds of

2363
01:45:37,649 --> 01:45:35,800
stories I think just in many cases just

2364
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,659
to get attention and he has come out

2365
01:45:42,450 --> 01:45:39,520
with the theory that this was a prank

2366
01:45:45,089 --> 01:45:42,460
like college students well a professor

2367
01:45:48,419 --> 01:45:45,099
charles moore who was famous for

2368
01:45:50,429 --> 01:45:48,429
no boy and that's another story too long

2369
01:45:54,449 --> 01:45:50,439
to go into everybody he was well known

2370
01:45:56,399 --> 01:45:54,459
in the UFO field and I had kept in touch

2371
01:45:59,699 --> 01:45:56,409
with him for a number of years and when

2372
01:46:03,719 --> 01:45:59,709
I was out into Carl I believe in 1996

2373
01:46:06,869 --> 01:46:03,729
Moore was living in control and of

2374
01:46:09,569 --> 01:46:06,879
course he had was familiar with New

2375
01:46:11,580 --> 01:46:09,579
Mexico Tech which I believe was also in

2376
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:11,590
Socorro when he and more had taught

2377
01:46:18,270 --> 01:46:15,760
there probably continually for quite a

2378
01:46:21,330 --> 01:46:18,280
number of years so he would have known

2379
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:21,340
if there was any rumor about a college

2380
01:46:26,969 --> 01:46:25,209
students having some kind of a hoax Club

2381
01:46:30,619 --> 01:46:26,979
or something that's what the growing of

2382
01:46:34,020 --> 01:46:30,629
claims and that this was a hoax by them

2383
01:46:37,379 --> 01:46:34,030
specifically against Lonnie Zamora

2384
01:46:39,869 --> 01:46:37,389
because he the more has a coverage of

2385
01:46:42,929 --> 01:46:39,879
them sort of speeding tickets and so on

2386
01:46:44,879 --> 01:46:42,939
I mean this is a whole angle that no one

2387
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:44,889
has ever mentioned it before but the

2388
01:46:51,659 --> 01:46:48,159
point is I spent a day with Charles

2389
01:46:54,389 --> 01:46:51,669
Brewer in circle and more took me out to

2390
01:46:56,369 --> 01:46:54,399
the exact spot where glistenin landed

2391
01:46:58,859 --> 01:46:56,379
because that's sort of like a holy spot

2392
01:47:01,199 --> 01:46:58,869
it was some kind of a circle of stones

2393
01:47:04,409 --> 01:47:01,209
and people put there so you can find it

2394
01:47:07,859 --> 01:47:04,419
and I never asked more specifically

2395
01:47:10,830 --> 01:47:07,869
there were a hoax or by the students

2396
01:47:13,709 --> 01:47:10,840
over New Mexico Tech because I had never

2397
01:47:15,799 --> 01:47:13,719
heard such a theory but I do know that

2398
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:15,809
Moore told me specifically and clearly

2399
01:47:20,459 --> 01:47:18,449
that it wasn't a US government

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01:47:23,699 --> 01:47:20,469
experiment and there was a certain

2401
01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:23,709
experiment that were so suspensions are

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01:47:28,770 --> 01:47:27,129
having because of this I read it it

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01:47:31,709 --> 01:47:28,780
wasn't that that he didn't know what it

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01:47:35,129 --> 01:47:31,719
was and so he was mystified and he never

2405
01:47:37,770 --> 01:47:35,139
ever alluded to anything about students

2406
01:47:40,770 --> 01:47:37,780
at the college and could pull a hoax

2407
01:47:42,810 --> 01:47:40,780
like that so you know we were we were on

2408
01:47:45,419 --> 01:47:42,820
a different subject police and succour

2409
01:47:47,790 --> 01:47:45,429
came up and one of my favorite cases

2410
01:47:50,450 --> 01:47:47,800
when I just think that it was there

2411
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:50,460
jinhwan that's my thing let's look

2412
01:47:55,670 --> 01:47:53,010
origins and purposes of UFOs one time

2413
01:47:57,890 --> 01:47:55,680
you had under earth theory in the 50s

2414
01:48:00,350 --> 01:47:57,900
was that a joke or what

2415
01:48:02,270 --> 01:48:00,360
well it was a ceremony yes and I was

2416
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:02,280
saying that I think more than anything

2417
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:05,760
else too - I know I the outer space

2418
01:48:11,450 --> 01:48:09,360
believers certainly it's true that a lot

2419
01:48:15,229 --> 01:48:11,460
of these things that's been shown again

2420
01:48:17,150 --> 01:48:15,239
again and have been the u.s. secret just

2421
01:48:20,420 --> 01:48:17,160
by planes and one thing another but for

2422
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:20,430
to try to solve the whole thing in the

2423
01:48:26,630 --> 01:48:23,130
in terms of that would be impossible so

2424
01:48:29,060 --> 01:48:26,640
I eventually dropped that - it's about

2425
01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:29,070
all there is and then so it's quite a

2426
01:48:35,180 --> 01:48:32,070
while I thought they were possibly for

2427
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:35,190
Mars because there's some feeling I

2428
01:48:40,370 --> 01:48:36,810
don't know where he came from that small

2429
01:48:44,570 --> 01:48:40,380
man small humanoid would would logically

2430
01:48:47,860 --> 01:48:44,580
come from Mars because Mars was capable

2431
01:48:50,660 --> 01:48:47,870
of having human language such as

2432
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:50,670
eventually we found out more on Mars is

2433
01:48:56,420 --> 01:48:54,090
not particularly hospitable to human

2434
01:48:58,670 --> 01:48:56,430
life and you know it would be very

2435
01:49:01,970 --> 01:48:58,680
unlikely that these saucers would come

2436
01:49:03,740 --> 01:49:01,980
from Mars and then I moved on into their

2437
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:03,750
certain the other until finally I be

2438
01:49:09,310 --> 01:49:05,610
seen in the last twenty years maybe

2439
01:49:12,260 --> 01:49:09,320
where I am now which is vaguely 4d

2440
01:49:14,209 --> 01:49:12,270
thinking that they are absolutely

2441
01:49:17,870 --> 01:49:14,219
genuine but they're not from another

2442
01:49:21,590 --> 01:49:17,880
planet that's my present view okay would

2443
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:21,600
you just sign for D well I'm just using

2444
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:24,930
that term I think anything that alludes

2445
01:49:28,870 --> 01:49:26,880
to the paranormal

2446
01:49:31,970 --> 01:49:28,880
we could be talking about another

2447
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:31,980
dimension another realm he can use any

2448
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:34,320
kind of words you want because you're

2449
01:49:38,570 --> 01:49:36,210
trying to explain something that's

2450
01:49:41,390 --> 01:49:38,580
unexplainable so the words you use are

2451
01:49:43,490 --> 01:49:41,400
not very important it's just something

2452
01:49:45,590 --> 01:49:43,500
that we don't understand and I don't

2453
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:45,600
think we can pinpoint is coming through

2454
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:47,610
another planet that's too many things

2455
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:50,610
wrong with that theory so my belief is

2456
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:54,810
that it's something from here but not

2457
01:50:01,130 --> 01:49:58,080
from here it's it's for D okay so

2458
01:50:03,170 --> 01:50:01,140
when you say here and not from here you

2459
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:03,180
mean maybe in parallel universe that

2460
01:50:12,710 --> 01:50:07,770
coexists those turns around as well as I

2461
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:12,720
can dream I entered a few of them that

2462
01:50:17,300 --> 01:50:14,880
has no meaning whatsoever but I'd like

2463
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:17,310
it parallel universe yes that's where

2464
01:50:22,210 --> 01:50:19,650
they're from do the old meta terrestrial

2465
01:50:24,860 --> 01:50:22,220
hypothesis yes

2466
01:50:31,130 --> 01:50:24,870
met in terrestrial and I'd know that

2467
01:50:33,620 --> 01:50:31,140
yeah that's a kind of a valley you have

2468
01:50:36,530 --> 01:50:33,630
the new crypto terrestrial theory that

2469
01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:36,540
Lily Mac Tony's came up with and that

2470
01:50:47,180 --> 01:50:38,760
we're dealing with you know I guess

2471
01:50:52,130 --> 01:50:47,190
something Richard shaver ish dorocha

2472
01:50:54,650 --> 01:50:52,140
terrestrial was okay yeah well it's

2473
01:50:57,050 --> 01:50:54,660
something like that I you know I was

2474
01:51:00,500 --> 01:50:57,060
reading just in the last couple of days

2475
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,510
I I gonna free a review copy of this

2476
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:02,400
which I was very pleased with there's a

2477
01:51:10,970 --> 01:51:05,520
new book out by Stan Gordon called

2478
01:51:14,060 --> 01:51:10,980
silent invasion and it's mainly about

2479
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:14,070
the slot in the state of Pennsylvania or

2480
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:18,450
around 1973 and this one really gets

2481
01:51:25,970 --> 01:51:23,040
weird I think you are familiar with this

2482
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:25,980
kind of thing there Chris or things like

2483
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:28,890
it but there are listed here several

2484
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,770
cases where you not sergeant Vince I

2485
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:33,360
don't sing at the same time and that's

2486
01:51:37,970 --> 01:51:35,010
the other sounds like a joke but it

2487
01:51:40,190 --> 01:51:37,980
isn't I mean he doesn't name the people

2488
01:51:44,630 --> 01:51:40,200
everybody's got silliness but there are

2489
01:51:47,090 --> 01:51:44,640
cases the salutary for where Bigfoot's

2490
01:51:49,340 --> 01:51:47,100
are coming off of the saucer or is in

2491
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:49,350
the foreground doing different things

2492
01:51:54,290 --> 01:51:52,080
for all the saucers sitting there landed

2493
01:51:56,150 --> 01:51:54,300
in the background I mean it's the same

2494
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:56,160
thing sure I mean we're dealing with a

2495
01:52:01,340 --> 01:51:59,280
mess I mean something they were really

2496
01:52:03,140 --> 01:52:01,350
doing on this gene yeah I tell you the

2497
01:52:04,910 --> 01:52:03,150
skeptics sure love it when when stories

2498
01:52:06,770 --> 01:52:04,920
like that in cases like that surface

2499
01:52:10,010 --> 01:52:06,780
there there have been quite a number of

2500
01:52:12,060 --> 01:52:10,020
cases over the years that feature crypto

2501
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:12,070
creatures like Bigfoot in conjunction

2502
01:52:16,770 --> 01:52:15,250
with UFOs I think up in the about the

2503
01:52:19,770 --> 01:52:16,780
same time period there were some reports

2504
01:52:22,500 --> 01:52:19,780
up in Montana that was similar you also

2505
01:52:24,990 --> 01:52:22,510
have in the late 70s the Clearview case

2506
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:25,000
which occurred in Colorado near the Air

2507
01:52:30,060 --> 01:52:27,610
Force Academy where Air Force officers

2508
01:52:31,740 --> 01:52:30,070
arrived in a saucer and a Bigfoot was

2509
01:52:32,729 --> 01:52:31,750
standing under a tree apparently under

2510
01:52:34,350 --> 01:52:32,739
their control

2511
01:52:36,180 --> 01:52:34,360
okay well we'll go into that in a moment

2512
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,190
but I made a big promise to Jim Mosely

2513
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for this segment he's going to now tell

2514
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:40,750
you very briefly how to get a copy of

2515
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saucer smear Jim yeah well let's just

2516
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make it brief if you'd like a free

2517
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sample copy and then we'll go on from

2518
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:49,329
there so the first ones free

2519
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:51,760
and then you can see what you want to do

2520
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later write to me and that's Emmy or

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using nitrogen Mosely away as long as

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you get P o box one 709 Key West to

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oh four one and we'll be glad to hear

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from you and I go to the mailbox every

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day and I don't want to see your light

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over there if he doesn't see it he's

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going to call me he's going to complain

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so please neighbors right - Jim asked

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for a copy of saucer smear you will find

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a refreshing change from the standard

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UFO oriented stuff

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Jim Mosley joining us Chris O'Brien's

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the third hour I think we're in the last

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part of the third hour Jim you know just

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you know we have this kind of alternate

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reality here where time speeds up so

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fast that it's incredible

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Chris O'Brien's the co-host he speeds up

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cast and we work series now once you

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start talking about 4d do you find the

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people who are still invested in having

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ET be the one they kind of come back to

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you and say it's RIT's ridiculous well

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yes but I noticed over a period of time

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there's a couple of names that I wanted

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to mention that just go company right

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now but some of the investigators I

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think Stan Gordon is certainly one of

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the princes who have been in the field

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01:58:57,960 --> 01:58:56,200
for a long time and started out 3e and

2657
01:59:01,240 --> 01:58:57,970
so forth

2658
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:01,250
when they come across cases like the one

2659
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:03,410
I just mentioned the way I mean who

2660
01:59:09,370 --> 01:59:05,290
would think that a technical

2661
01:59:12,340 --> 01:59:09,380
technological thing like a saucer and a

2662
01:59:14,830 --> 01:59:12,350
crude humanoid that may or may not be a

2663
01:59:18,580 --> 01:59:14,840
throwback or something about

2664
01:59:21,070 --> 01:59:18,590
evolutionary change here on earth are

2665
01:59:23,020 --> 01:59:21,080
like Bigfoot how these two things could

2666
01:59:25,870 --> 01:59:23,030
be exist at the same time in the same

2667
01:59:28,570 --> 01:59:25,880
place I think that in itself as I said

2668
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:28,580
before you're boggles of mine so when

2669
01:59:34,690 --> 01:59:31,730
when investigators and I'm sure Chris is

2670
01:59:38,610 --> 01:59:34,700
absolutely one of them find out that

2671
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:38,620
there are credible stories of that time

2672
01:59:43,870 --> 01:59:41,090
you either gotta just throw in the towel

2673
01:59:46,450 --> 01:59:43,880
or say look you know it's it's something

2674
01:59:49,420 --> 01:59:46,460
more complicated and nice little

2675
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:49,430
creatures in nice little saucers coming

2676
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:52,370
from other planets because it just isn't

2677
01:59:56,140 --> 01:59:54,650
that simple at all I should be

2678
01:59:58,209 --> 01:59:56,150
banging that drum for a while that's for

2679
02:00:00,580 --> 01:59:58,219
sure I think gene can back me up on that

2680
02:00:03,100 --> 02:00:00,590
one well I was banking from I think

2681
02:00:04,780 --> 02:00:03,110
early on you know Allen Greenfield and I

2682
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:04,790
were talking about the stuff back in the

2683
02:00:10,390 --> 02:00:07,730
1960s and it wasn't too long before you

2684
02:00:13,270 --> 02:00:10,400
got on the bandwagon Jim yeah well I

2685
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:13,280
think well Greenfield is off into other

2686
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:15,290
things that I just don't understand at

2687
02:00:20,200 --> 02:00:17,570
all but when it when it comes to saucers

2688
02:00:22,450 --> 02:00:20,210
yeah I'm sure that he is not the nuts

2689
02:00:24,820 --> 02:00:22,460
and bolts man you've had him on the show

2690
02:00:26,229 --> 02:00:24,830
and I think you know that one of the

2691
02:00:28,810 --> 02:00:26,239
things I wonder about here too is the

2692
02:00:30,939 --> 02:00:28,820
fact that UFO field goes in waves you

2693
02:00:33,419 --> 02:00:30,949
know in the 60s and 70s we picked up on

2694
02:00:36,610 --> 02:00:33,429
the 4d or whatever ultra terrestrials

2695
02:00:39,850 --> 02:00:36,620
parallel universes it reverted back to

2696
02:00:41,979 --> 02:00:39,860
ET why does that happen is it because of

2697
02:00:44,770 --> 02:00:41,989
frustration you know or because people

2698
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:44,780
start all over again in UFO research and

2699
02:00:49,020 --> 02:00:46,730
they don't see what happened before well

2700
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:49,030
I don't know what that sort of trend

2701
02:00:57,160 --> 02:00:53,290
what you just said reverting back to two

2702
02:01:01,060 --> 02:00:57,170
et the only person like that that I know

2703
02:01:03,430 --> 02:01:01,070
offhand is Jerry Clark and we may have

2704
02:01:05,320 --> 02:01:03,440
talked about him before it seems to me

2705
02:01:09,340 --> 02:01:05,330
that in his college days and thereafter

2706
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:09,350
he was very 40 and he wrote a book

2707
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:12,170
called we went invited or the

2708
02:01:17,860 --> 02:01:15,170
unexplained I forget it was Jerry

2709
02:01:20,439 --> 02:01:17,870
Clark's first book where he was very far

2710
02:01:22,930 --> 02:01:20,449
out and then he sobered up with

2711
02:01:25,770 --> 02:01:22,940
something after a few years and gave up

2712
02:01:29,620 --> 02:01:25,780
all of that far out stuff and became

2713
02:01:32,500 --> 02:01:29,630
very 3d and now I'm not sure just where

2714
02:01:33,729 --> 02:01:32,510
he is I know this i don't dare ask or

2715
02:01:36,160 --> 02:01:33,739
because he sore

2716
02:01:39,189 --> 02:01:36,170
kind of touchy by the way gene you know

2717
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:39,199
I made up with Jerry Clark right on your

2718
02:01:43,750 --> 02:01:41,090
show I believe the last time I was on

2719
02:01:45,250 --> 02:01:43,760
now you were there of course so

2720
02:01:47,229 --> 02:01:45,260
therefore you should have no problem

2721
02:01:47,950 --> 02:01:47,239
give them a call say hi there how's it

2722
02:01:49,930 --> 02:01:47,960
going

2723
02:01:51,790 --> 02:01:49,940
now now one of the things and you don't

2724
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:51,800
have an awful lot of time here to pursue

2725
02:01:56,380 --> 02:01:54,650
everything with Jim Mosely but I want to

2726
02:01:58,000 --> 02:01:56,390
get all this stuff on record because I

2727
02:02:00,130 --> 02:01:58,010
think you've done a lot of things in the

2728
02:02:01,630 --> 02:02:00,140
field that people don't appreciate the

2729
02:02:04,270 --> 02:02:01,640
fact you've been here so long observed

2730
02:02:06,140 --> 02:02:04,280
all these things observe the crazy

2731
02:02:08,120 --> 02:02:06,150
people in the field

2732
02:02:09,860 --> 02:02:08,130
and one of the arguments and one of the

2733
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:09,870
things that came up recently in your

2734
02:02:15,709 --> 02:02:13,440
magazine reflects on a recent flare-up

2735
02:02:18,050 --> 02:02:15,719
of the controversy about UFO abductions

2736
02:02:21,110 --> 02:02:18,060
but so if it also relates to the so

2737
02:02:23,600 --> 02:02:21,120
called sex and saucers things such for

2738
02:02:25,850 --> 02:02:23,610
example Truman betherine being sued by

2739
02:02:28,729 --> 02:02:25,860
his wife because of the alleged alliance

2740
02:02:32,030 --> 02:02:28,739
with the woman who captained the

2741
02:02:34,100 --> 02:02:32,040
spaceship or arranged so where does and

2742
02:02:37,130 --> 02:02:34,110
obviously accepting this is commercial

2743
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:37,140
radio so you may have to sidestep a few

2744
02:02:43,010 --> 02:02:40,650
words and phrases and a saucers my

2745
02:02:44,959 --> 02:02:43,020
friend what do you get you just silence

2746
02:02:47,990 --> 02:02:44,969
me you ask me a question and now you'll

2747
02:02:49,850 --> 02:02:48,000
find us react and I discuss these things

2748
02:02:53,570 --> 02:02:49,860
without using certain words and play

2749
02:02:59,479 --> 02:02:53,580
this game weird sex and saucers so tell

2750
02:03:04,390 --> 02:02:59,489
us why is there an aspect that you can

2751
02:03:08,750 --> 02:03:04,400
do that sure okay saucer pap smear

2752
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:08,760
okay so where did this fascination come

2753
02:03:13,490 --> 02:03:10,770
up was it just a Truman bathroom saying

2754
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:13,500
that started it where is his sex and

2755
02:03:21,020 --> 02:03:15,530
saucers come through into the picture

2756
02:03:24,350 --> 02:03:21,030
well who was showing examples of that I

2757
02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:24,360
mean way back when there was the one

2758
02:03:31,310 --> 02:03:28,560
from Brazil I think Boris or whatever

2759
02:03:34,459 --> 02:03:31,320
his name was was a farmer who was

2760
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:34,469
somehow lured onboard a flying saucer

2761
02:03:40,399 --> 02:03:37,650
and had sex with us I think ten-foot

2762
02:03:42,290 --> 02:03:40,409
tall woman that was on board I don't

2763
02:03:44,750 --> 02:03:42,300
remember all the details but I mean

2764
02:03:47,689 --> 02:03:44,760
there have been examples of sex and

2765
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:47,699
saucers throughout the history of the

2766
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:49,770
subjects and I think more so with the

2767
02:03:56,720 --> 02:03:53,010
abduction certainly there is some sexual

2768
02:04:03,800 --> 02:03:56,730
overtone to the whole subject and by the

2769
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:03,810
way you had all the investigator other

2770
02:04:09,649 --> 02:04:06,810
abductions from Pennsylvania you know

2771
02:04:12,500 --> 02:04:09,659
Jason so you had him on on your show

2772
02:04:14,479 --> 02:04:12,510
recently you look like Hopkins and since

2773
02:04:16,729 --> 02:04:14,489
I don't have a computer I miss all of

2774
02:04:19,190 --> 02:04:16,739
your shows but I've gotten somebody

2775
02:04:21,290 --> 02:04:19,200
it's going to play that show for me at a

2776
02:04:23,450 --> 02:04:21,300
certain time in a couple of days that

2777
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:23,460
are very anxious to hear it well you

2778
02:04:27,410 --> 02:04:25,290
know I think they didn't say anything

2779
02:04:31,220 --> 02:04:27,420
that you're not familiar with I mean you

2780
02:04:33,140 --> 02:04:31,230
know the general investigation what I'm

2781
02:04:35,240 --> 02:04:33,150
interested in this isn't quite the same

2782
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:35,250
instruction sources but what I'm

2783
02:04:40,850 --> 02:04:37,530
interested in right at this moment is

2784
02:04:44,510 --> 02:04:40,860
not just the abductions but the effect

2785
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:44,520
that the abductees and the various the

2786
02:04:49,610 --> 02:04:47,250
things involved with abduction with the

2787
02:04:52,490 --> 02:04:49,620
phenomena or the syndrome how they

2788
02:04:54,470 --> 02:04:52,500
affect the abduction researchers

2789
02:04:57,320 --> 02:04:54,480
themselves and without going into all

2790
02:04:59,900 --> 02:04:57,330
that if you read the current smear for

2791
02:05:01,729 --> 02:04:59,910
instance or listen to your own show you

2792
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:01,739
are certainly going to realize that

2793
02:05:09,430 --> 02:05:05,130
david jacobs has been affected adversely

2794
02:05:12,170 --> 02:05:09,440
i fear by the very stuff that he's been

2795
02:05:14,870 --> 02:05:12,180
investigating so he's no longer an

2796
02:05:17,690 --> 02:05:14,880
objective investigator if he ever was

2797
02:05:20,540 --> 02:05:17,700
he's been taken in or taken out or

2798
02:05:22,520 --> 02:05:20,550
something by these entities which we

2799
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:22,530
don't even know for sure exists and I

2800
02:05:26,450 --> 02:05:24,570
think that's quite strange and

2801
02:05:29,120 --> 02:05:26,460
interesting thing you're all so

2802
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:29,130
basically quoting the recent issue of

2803
02:05:34,130 --> 02:05:31,770
UFO magazine and the editorial from bill

2804
02:05:37,070 --> 02:05:34,140
burns on the subject yes exactly I

2805
02:05:39,860 --> 02:05:37,080
caught that at length in sources for the

2806
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:39,870
things the issue that these good people

2807
02:05:44,959 --> 02:05:42,930
will get when they when they okay so

2808
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:44,969
briefly summarize that bill birnes is

2809
02:05:48,500 --> 02:05:46,530
not here to speak with us but maybe

2810
02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:48,510
summarize that and perhaps we'll have

2811
02:05:56,570 --> 02:05:51,090
bill one in the future to expand upon it

2812
02:05:59,300 --> 02:05:56,580
well it's just I'd have to let me go

2813
02:06:01,729 --> 02:05:59,310
across the room for 30 seconds and get

2814
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:01,739
that issue and I'll just quote affirm

2815
02:06:08,150 --> 02:06:04,530
you one thing that was on the cover of

2816
02:06:11,270 --> 02:06:08,160
UFO magazine that's attributed to dr.

2817
02:06:15,020 --> 02:06:11,280
Jacobs ladies and gentlemen as Jim walks

2818
02:06:16,310 --> 02:06:15,030
across this room and write this is he's

2819
02:06:19,010 --> 02:06:16,320
walking you know this is really

2820
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:19,020
spontaneous radio where we have Jim

2821
02:06:23,540 --> 02:06:21,360
Mosely actually walking at his age which

2822
02:06:26,240 --> 02:06:23,550
can be amazing in and of itself but in

2823
02:06:28,940 --> 02:06:26,250
any case Jim Mosely editor of saucer

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02:06:30,500 --> 02:06:28,950
smears joining us I'm gene Steinberg the

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02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:30,510
co-host is Chris O'Brien

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you're in the para cast is there a

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have Jim Mosely as we broke Jim Mosley

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was busy walking to the other side of

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his vast living room area in his

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palatial estate in Key West Florida

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which i think is basically a one room

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studio apartment anyway and he's going

2941
02:11:39,300 --> 02:11:36,400
to get the material from the most recent

2942
02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:39,310
issue of saucer smear I'm gene Steinberg

2943
02:11:44,070 --> 02:11:41,290
you're in the para cast the co-host is

2944
02:11:46,380 --> 02:11:44,080
Chris O'Brien and I raised the subject I

2945
02:11:49,620 --> 02:11:46,390
dared to raise the subject about sex and

2946
02:11:52,950 --> 02:11:49,630
saucers and in raising that we opened a

2947
02:11:54,720 --> 02:11:52,960
can of worms so Jim has gotten a copy of

2948
02:11:56,520 --> 02:11:54,730
the most recent issue of saucer smear

2949
02:12:00,180 --> 02:11:56,530
and he pledges to send out copies of

2950
02:12:04,290 --> 02:12:00,190
that to those who requested and now Jim

2951
02:12:06,690 --> 02:12:04,300
yeah well I have an in an article that I

2952
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:06,700
wrote a based on the story as she said

2953
02:12:15,900 --> 02:12:10,030
in UFO magazine and it was an editorial

2954
02:12:17,790 --> 02:12:15,910
by the editor that burns and there was

2955
02:12:19,650 --> 02:12:17,800
another article in there by someone else

2956
02:12:21,300 --> 02:12:19,660
but the quote that I find most

2957
02:12:24,510 --> 02:12:21,310
interesting is from the cover of

2958
02:12:27,120 --> 02:12:24,520
beautiful magazine that says I am in a

2959
02:12:29,820 --> 02:12:27,130
rather severe crisis with the aliens I

2960
02:12:33,420 --> 02:12:29,830
will be talking to them tonight about my

2961
02:12:37,100 --> 02:12:33,430
future and what they will or will not do

2962
02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:37,110
to me at the spoke now that's not a

2963
02:12:42,150 --> 02:12:39,970
abductee talking that's the researcher

2964
02:12:44,970 --> 02:12:42,160
himself talking and memo boy it gets

2965
02:12:47,610 --> 02:12:44,980
very very strange and so maybe he's

2966
02:12:50,190 --> 02:12:47,620
eating his own dog food yes well I see I

2967
02:12:53,010 --> 02:12:50,200
have had whatever that means

2968
02:12:55,380 --> 02:12:53,020
I have here that I jot it down I think

2969
02:12:58,260 --> 02:12:55,390
yesterday when we were talking on the

2970
02:13:00,750 --> 02:12:58,270
telephone which some people still do and

2971
02:13:02,640 --> 02:13:00,760
you said I can quote the following from

2972
02:13:05,820 --> 02:13:02,650
you we get the

2973
02:13:09,060 --> 02:13:05,830
and we want or deserve and I think

2974
02:13:12,450 --> 02:13:09,070
that's there's a bit of truth Chris take

2975
02:13:14,850 --> 02:13:12,460
on all this crazy yeah I'm actually I'm

2976
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:14,860
still reeling from the quote from from

2977
02:13:20,220 --> 02:13:17,050
David Jacobs that's that's very

2978
02:13:24,300 --> 02:13:20,230
troubling once she leaves objectivity oh

2979
02:13:26,669 --> 02:13:24,310
that's so right I mean there is

2980
02:13:29,430 --> 02:13:26,679
something certainly to the abductions I

2981
02:13:32,189 --> 02:13:29,440
don't think there's space aliens budgets

2982
02:13:34,290 --> 02:13:32,199
is from something akin to told a guy's

2983
02:13:36,390 --> 02:13:34,300
something akin to whatever you wanted to

2984
02:13:38,899 --> 02:13:36,400
be akin to there's something going on

2985
02:13:41,010 --> 02:13:38,909
there's probably some external

2986
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:41,020
intelligence that he's playing with

2987
02:13:44,700 --> 02:13:43,090
these people's minds I think in there

2988
02:13:49,470 --> 02:13:44,710
we've got to learn more about it and

2989
02:13:51,600 --> 02:13:49,480
it's a valid field of inquiry but now

2990
02:13:53,970 --> 02:13:51,610
I've moved on and for the moment from

2991
02:13:56,520 --> 02:13:53,980
there and I want to know what kind of

2992
02:13:59,010 --> 02:13:56,530
people the abduction researchers are I

2993
02:14:03,149 --> 02:13:59,020
mean I know something about Hopkins he's

2994
02:14:06,270 --> 02:14:03,159
not a licensed therapist or a licensed

2995
02:14:08,370 --> 02:14:06,280
anything he's an artist and he's have

2996
02:14:11,610 --> 02:14:08,380
apparently done some good work but I'm

2997
02:14:13,590 --> 02:14:11,620
sure he's had a subjective relationship

2998
02:14:16,620 --> 02:14:13,600
with some of these objectives himself

2999
02:14:20,820 --> 02:14:16,630
which I could go into further but

3000
02:14:24,240 --> 02:14:20,830
unusual was so blessed Hawkins and now

3001
02:14:26,160 --> 02:14:24,250
Jacobs who seems to be quite a heavily

3002
02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:26,170
off the deep end there's another

3003
02:14:33,570 --> 02:14:29,290
well-known abduction researcher named

3004
02:14:36,750 --> 02:14:33,580
leo sprinkle who apparently his I've got

3005
02:14:40,380 --> 02:14:36,760
you said he regresses are involved with

3006
02:14:42,840 --> 02:14:40,390
more benign friendly aliens that in

3007
02:14:45,720 --> 02:14:42,850
order for the future to the other two

3008
02:14:49,100 --> 02:14:45,730
researchers I just mentioned the idea

3009
02:14:53,340 --> 02:14:49,110
being something like what gene said the

3010
02:14:55,530 --> 02:14:53,350
nature of the beams or they come through

3011
02:14:57,930 --> 02:14:55,540
whatever they may be are somehow

3012
02:15:01,110 --> 02:14:57,940
connection with the personality of the

3013
02:15:03,450 --> 02:15:01,120
person that's doing the abduction

3014
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:03,460
research and that's rather strange well

3015
02:15:07,740 --> 02:15:05,530
that definitely came up on the show that

3016
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:07,750
we have with bud and and David

3017
02:15:11,910 --> 02:15:09,730
I did ask the question why does it

3018
02:15:15,060 --> 02:15:11,920
appear that you guys seem to attract the

3019
02:15:18,060 --> 02:15:15,070
kind of cases that are similar to cases

3020
02:15:19,500 --> 02:15:18,070
that you've had in the past and it was a

3021
02:15:21,660 --> 02:15:19,510
pretty couple of pretty interesting

3022
02:15:22,980 --> 02:15:21,670
observations on that I think you know

3023
02:15:24,930 --> 02:15:22,990
people who are trying to get to the

3024
02:15:27,180 --> 02:15:24,940
bottom of unusual experiences in their

3025
02:15:31,320 --> 02:15:27,190
lives very traumatic ones and in some

3026
02:15:34,340 --> 02:15:31,330
cases tend to look for substantiation of

3027
02:15:36,780 --> 02:15:34,350
their quality of experience in other

3028
02:15:38,100 --> 02:15:36,790
publicized experiences and then they

3029
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:38,110
tend to gravitate towards the

3030
02:15:43,290 --> 02:15:40,810
investigator who was you know working

3031
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:43,300
with that particular person so this

3032
02:15:47,490 --> 02:15:45,370
whole subject Jim came up on our show

3033
02:15:49,890 --> 02:15:47,500
with Budd Hopkins and David Jacobs and

3034
02:15:51,630 --> 02:15:49,900
one of the things that we asked was how

3035
02:15:54,810 --> 02:15:51,640
come it seems that you seem to have very

3036
02:15:56,910 --> 02:15:54,820
similar cases one after another and I

3037
02:16:02,280 --> 02:15:56,920
some of the answers were quite revealing

3038
02:16:06,020 --> 02:16:02,290
I think and are you saying abductees

3039
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:06,030
with similar problems go to the same

3040
02:16:10,350 --> 02:16:09,370
researcher or the other way around I

3041
02:16:15,540 --> 02:16:10,360
don't follow you

3042
02:16:16,350 --> 02:16:15,550
well these guys are not a searcher in

3043
02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:16,360
somehow

3044
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:19,210
put his own personality his own hangups

3045
02:16:26,940 --> 02:16:22,650
his own paranoia if you will into the

3046
02:16:29,250 --> 02:16:26,950
mesh but he gets from the abductee is he

3047
02:16:33,600 --> 02:16:29,260
you know projecting his own thoughts

3048
02:16:35,730 --> 02:16:33,610
into the into the story well yeah I

3049
02:16:38,640 --> 02:16:35,740
think it's a it's like a it's a closed

3050
02:16:40,230 --> 02:16:38,650
feedback loop I think I think the

3051
02:16:42,690 --> 02:16:40,240
researcher attracts the kind of case

3052
02:16:44,820 --> 02:16:42,700
that he's familiar with and then that he

3053
02:16:46,799 --> 02:16:44,830
then whether it's I don't think it's

3054
02:16:49,650 --> 02:16:46,809
conscious but probably subconsciously he

3055
02:16:51,570 --> 02:16:49,660
then throws fuel on the fire and and you

3056
02:16:54,419 --> 02:16:51,580
have this feedback loop going on and

3057
02:16:56,790 --> 02:16:54,429
then after a thousand cases I could see

3058
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:56,800
why someone like a David Jacobs would be

3059
02:17:00,930 --> 02:16:58,960
you know wondering what the aliens have

3060
02:17:03,450 --> 02:17:00,940
in store for him next I you know it's

3061
02:17:06,120 --> 02:17:03,460
it's really unfortunate because I agree

3062
02:17:09,660 --> 02:17:06,130
Jim this is a real phenomenon I don't

3063
02:17:11,490 --> 02:17:09,670
think it's it's it's it's exactly the

3064
02:17:13,470 --> 02:17:11,500
way it appears I think obviously there's

3065
02:17:16,320 --> 02:17:13,480
there's a hidden hidden elements going

3066
02:17:17,520 --> 02:17:16,330
on but we do need to be as objective as

3067
02:17:20,339 --> 02:17:17,530
possible and we do need to get

3068
02:17:21,740 --> 02:17:20,349
professional psychotherapist involved in

3069
02:17:24,809 --> 02:17:21,750
this field

3070
02:17:26,490 --> 02:17:24,819
yeah I in the whole idea of hypnotic

3071
02:17:27,929 --> 02:17:26,500
regression Jean and I have we've

3072
02:17:29,820 --> 02:17:27,939
discussed this quite a number of

3073
02:17:32,549 --> 02:17:29,830
occasions on the show here it is a

3074
02:17:34,139 --> 02:17:32,559
flawed investigative tool in the hands

3075
02:17:40,230 --> 02:17:34,149
in the hands of amateurs

3076
02:17:41,759 --> 02:17:40,240
and yes say that again yeah I think you

3077
02:17:43,919 --> 02:17:41,769
know I see the government tries to

3078
02:17:46,230 --> 02:17:43,929
regulate everything and this is so walk

3079
02:17:49,169 --> 02:17:46,240
neat they may never even think of it but

3080
02:17:52,230 --> 02:17:49,179
there should be something regulation or

3081
02:17:55,969 --> 02:17:52,240
you know some qualifications that you

3082
02:17:59,219 --> 02:17:55,979
need before you can become an abduction

3083
02:18:01,049 --> 02:17:59,229
researcher and you know if you have no

3084
02:18:02,820 --> 02:18:01,059
such qualifications and you shouldn't be

3085
02:18:05,580 --> 02:18:02,830
allowed to do it that's right

3086
02:18:07,950 --> 02:18:05,590
we don't license UFO investigators of

3087
02:18:11,219 --> 02:18:07,960
any kind because basically it's not an

3088
02:18:13,320 --> 02:18:11,229
official field of study so it would have

3089
02:18:16,589 --> 02:18:13,330
to be then up to the individuals or the

3090
02:18:18,450 --> 02:18:16,599
UFO organizations to pick people with

3091
02:18:20,730 --> 02:18:18,460
the proper professional qualifications

3092
02:18:22,919 --> 02:18:20,740
and I kind of suspect when people like

3093
02:18:24,809 --> 02:18:22,929
David Jacobs and Budd Hopkins get into

3094
02:18:27,629 --> 02:18:24,819
this they start out with the best of

3095
02:18:30,030 --> 02:18:27,639
intentions they even bring professional

3096
02:18:31,799 --> 02:18:30,040
therapists online but these therapists

3097
02:18:34,169 --> 02:18:31,809
you know they may pass on to other

3098
02:18:37,169 --> 02:18:34,179
interests they may not have the time to

3099
02:18:39,629 --> 02:18:37,179
pursue this in full detail so at the end

3100
02:18:41,400 --> 02:18:39,639
of the day suddenly they have to do it

3101
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:41,410
themselves but they are not qualified

3102
02:18:45,089 --> 02:18:43,689
and one of the issues you raised which

3103
02:18:48,809 --> 02:18:45,099
is why I gave you the quote about

3104
02:18:51,389 --> 02:18:48,819
getting the aliens we need or deserve is

3105
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:51,399
the fact that they can ask leading

3106
02:18:56,360 --> 02:18:53,130
questions you know a non professional

3107
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:56,370
can engage in hypnotic regression ask

3108
02:19:02,639 --> 02:18:59,920
leading questions and plan suggestions

3109
02:19:10,410 --> 02:19:02,649
that may impact the story is really

3110
02:19:13,020 --> 02:19:10,420
serious so what do we do I mean how do

3111
02:19:17,309 --> 02:19:13,030
we get professional researchers with

3112
02:19:19,860 --> 02:19:17,319
therapeutic education handle area to be

3113
02:19:24,270 --> 02:19:19,870
just you know like a refund investigator

3114
02:19:26,370 --> 02:19:24,280
I mean you go to a normal so-called 3d

3115
02:19:29,099 --> 02:19:26,380
case and you talk to the people all that

3116
02:19:30,419 --> 02:19:29,109
you know any normal intelligent person

3117
02:19:33,879 --> 02:19:30,429
should be able to do that but when

3118
02:19:36,910 --> 02:19:33,889
you're going to have an opportunity to

3119
02:19:39,639 --> 02:19:36,920
with people's minds just as apparently

3120
02:19:42,729 --> 02:19:39,649
the aliens do and you become a part of

3121
02:19:45,879 --> 02:19:42,739
the mesh you should be required to have

3122
02:19:48,990 --> 02:19:45,889
you know some qualifications whatever

3123
02:19:53,439 --> 02:19:49,000
they might be a degree in psychology a

3124
02:19:56,530 --> 02:19:53,449
professional whatever certificate that

3125
02:19:58,149 --> 02:19:56,540
you're a qualified hypnotist whatever it

3126
02:20:00,840 --> 02:19:58,159
might be but you see interests like

3127
02:20:05,019 --> 02:20:00,850
everybody do that because these

3128
02:20:07,269 --> 02:20:05,029
abductees indeed are neurotic I mean to

3129
02:20:09,519 --> 02:20:07,279
a degree they're not crazy but there's

3130
02:20:12,429 --> 02:20:09,529
something wrong there and you know

3131
02:20:15,490 --> 02:20:12,439
you're going to very possibly make them

3132
02:20:17,649 --> 02:20:15,500
worse and make them suffer more than

3133
02:20:19,149 --> 02:20:17,659
they would have otherwise I'll tell you

3134
02:20:20,979 --> 02:20:19,159
what this is something that is so

3135
02:20:23,500 --> 02:20:20,989
important we have to pursue it further

3136
02:20:26,139 --> 02:20:23,510
Jim Mosely editor of saucer smear joins

3137
02:20:28,570 --> 02:20:26,149
us the co-host is Chris O'Brien

3138
02:20:30,310 --> 02:20:28,580
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the Perot

3139
02:20:38,920 --> 02:20:30,320
cost

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[Applause]

3241
02:25:05,340 --> 02:25:03,579
chris is starting to sound like he might

3242
02:25:07,800 --> 02:25:05,350
have been abducted as I was talking to

3243
02:25:08,880 --> 02:25:07,810
Jim you know he's looking for someone to

3244
02:25:11,370 --> 02:25:08,890
abduct him right now

3245
02:25:15,199 --> 02:25:11,380
so aliens come to Chris's house his

3246
02:25:17,819 --> 02:25:15,209
addresses now I can't say it me take me

3247
02:25:20,340 --> 02:25:17,829
Chris O'Brien is the co-host of course

3248
02:25:21,960 --> 02:25:20,350
Jim Mosely editor of saucer smears our

3249
02:25:24,090 --> 02:25:21,970
guest I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the

3250
02:25:26,580 --> 02:25:24,100
power cast and we're going to the larger

3251
02:25:29,189 --> 02:25:26,590
question here where people who report

3252
02:25:31,590 --> 02:25:29,199
UFO abductions there are serious mental

3253
02:25:33,750 --> 02:25:31,600
health issues genuine or not I don't

3254
02:25:36,389 --> 02:25:33,760
pretend to know but when you get people

3255
02:25:39,359 --> 02:25:36,399
who are laymen mussing around with

3256
02:25:42,840 --> 02:25:39,369
somebody's mind Jim it can cause all

3257
02:25:45,779 --> 02:25:42,850
sorts of havoc can't it well I'm with

3258
02:25:47,969 --> 02:25:45,789
you you know in a real user if you want

3259
02:25:52,409 --> 02:25:47,979
to talk because what you're saying is

3260
02:25:55,590 --> 02:25:52,419
absolutely common sense as I also say in

3261
02:25:58,080 --> 02:25:55,600
the courage smear I usually agree with

3262
02:26:00,540 --> 02:25:58,090
your blogs on the net because you sound

3263
02:26:02,670 --> 02:26:00,550
just like I do and you speak mainly from

3264
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:02,680
common sense and that's what you're

3265
02:26:08,370 --> 02:26:05,770
saying now so how could I disagree I

3266
02:26:12,179 --> 02:26:08,380
think this agrees with a lot of this -

3267
02:26:13,979 --> 02:26:12,189
oh yeah I do and although some people on

3268
02:26:16,319 --> 02:26:13,989
our podcast forums might think that I'm

3269
02:26:19,109 --> 02:26:16,329
a total kool-aid drink and true believer

3270
02:26:20,609 --> 02:26:19,119
I'm actually quite critical and and the

3271
02:26:23,340 --> 02:26:20,619
older I get and the longer I'm in this

3272
02:26:26,309 --> 02:26:23,350
field actively the more skeptical I

3273
02:26:29,639 --> 02:26:26,319
become and the more I scratch my head at

3274
02:26:32,519 --> 02:26:29,649
some of the flawed thinking out there

3275
02:26:36,300 --> 02:26:32,529
and I don't think I'm not becoming more

3276
02:26:39,630 --> 02:26:36,310
skeptical I'm just overwhelmed by how

3277
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:39,640
complex this thing is and how unlikely

3278
02:26:45,569 --> 02:26:42,489
it is we're going to solve this anytime

3279
02:26:48,420 --> 02:26:45,579
soon I think that's what upsets me

3280
02:26:50,909 --> 02:26:48,430
because I don't believe I'm going to be

3281
02:26:52,949 --> 02:26:50,919
here to see any solution to this and

3282
02:26:55,500 --> 02:26:52,959
it's just going to stay pretty much the

3283
02:26:57,510 --> 02:26:55,510
way it is for quite a long time okay so

3284
02:27:00,210 --> 02:26:57,520
that raises a larger question are we

3285
02:27:02,159 --> 02:27:00,220
meant to understand it or is it just a

3286
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:02,169
technique to get us to move to the next

3287
02:27:07,130 --> 02:27:02,890
level

3288
02:27:09,689 --> 02:27:07,140
well worse if that's what it is isn't

3289
02:27:11,699 --> 02:27:09,699
structured so that we're not supposed to

3290
02:27:12,969 --> 02:27:11,709
understand it which is something that I

3291
02:27:15,580 --> 02:27:12,979
thought about

3292
02:27:19,330 --> 02:27:15,590
we're not going to understand it not

3293
02:27:21,609 --> 02:27:19,340
until we get much much further in ahead

3294
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:21,619
in our own science and even though

3295
02:27:26,469 --> 02:27:23,930
science is moving extremely rapidly it

3296
02:27:28,899 --> 02:27:26,479
could be 50 or 100 years before we

3297
02:27:30,729 --> 02:27:28,909
understand what's going on here you know

3298
02:27:33,519 --> 02:27:30,739
you know it's three steps forward two

3299
02:27:37,149 --> 02:27:33,529
steps back definitely so as somebody who

3300
02:27:39,370 --> 02:27:37,159
has played the role of UFO hoax or

3301
02:27:41,349 --> 02:27:39,380
trickster and a very serious researcher

3302
02:27:44,710 --> 02:27:41,359
to boot what do you think we can do if

3303
02:27:53,229 --> 02:27:44,720
anything to get people to focus more

3304
02:27:56,200 --> 02:27:53,239
seriously on the subject well in the

3305
02:27:58,210 --> 02:27:56,210
early days kept out of the paranormal

3306
02:28:01,210 --> 02:27:58,220
completely it just didn't want to hear

3307
02:28:04,540 --> 02:28:01,220
about any any case that had that kind of

3308
02:28:06,700 --> 02:28:04,550
time because they were fearful and quite

3309
02:28:09,969 --> 02:28:06,710
rightly so that the general public would

3310
02:28:12,580 --> 02:28:09,979
have enough trouble understanding or

3311
02:28:14,620 --> 02:28:12,590
believing in saucers from another planet

3312
02:28:16,599 --> 02:28:14,630
I mean that sounds off the top of your

3313
02:28:18,929 --> 02:28:16,609
head quite obvious if we can get there

3314
02:28:22,090 --> 02:28:18,939
then they can get here and all that

3315
02:28:23,830 --> 02:28:22,100
that's simple enough but if you couldn't

3316
02:28:25,510 --> 02:28:23,840
get deeper into it than that

3317
02:28:27,460 --> 02:28:25,520
then you're gonna lose a lot of people

3318
02:28:31,569 --> 02:28:27,470
that might otherwise better believe you

3319
02:28:33,939 --> 02:28:31,579
and you make the whole subject worse but

3320
02:28:37,779 --> 02:28:33,949
unfortunately that's where it's at it's

3321
02:28:39,010 --> 02:28:37,789
worse mm-hmm you know well it's I don't

3322
02:28:40,630 --> 02:28:39,020
know Jane where do you take it from

3323
02:28:42,609 --> 02:28:40,640
there I think you brought up a very good

3324
02:28:44,889 --> 02:28:42,619
point and it's almost self negating I

3325
02:28:47,260 --> 02:28:44,899
think that's a problem I don't know how

3326
02:28:49,330 --> 02:28:47,270
we can possibly ever resolve this

3327
02:28:52,090 --> 02:28:49,340
because you know there's so many vested

3328
02:28:54,460 --> 02:28:52,100
interests in UFO field we have the exo

3329
02:28:56,019 --> 02:28:54,470
politics people who figure that the

3330
02:28:58,689 --> 02:28:56,029
answer is there the government knows

3331
02:29:00,849 --> 02:28:58,699
about it and therefore you know we only

3332
02:29:02,559 --> 02:29:00,859
have to reveal what's happening we have

3333
02:29:04,569 --> 02:29:02,569
of course that NASA press conference

3334
02:29:06,760 --> 02:29:04,579
this week that may or may not have some

3335
02:29:09,519 --> 02:29:06,770
et related implications and we'll talk

3336
02:29:10,689 --> 02:29:09,529
about that on our next episode in case

3337
02:29:12,880 --> 02:29:10,699
you're wondering why we're not doing

3338
02:29:14,700 --> 02:29:12,890
that right now of course we normally

3339
02:29:17,800 --> 02:29:14,710
record the show a few days in advance

3340
02:29:20,769 --> 02:29:17,810
but believe you me will get the cutting

3341
02:29:23,800 --> 02:29:20,779
edge information but then Jim you know

3342
02:29:25,460 --> 02:29:23,810
looking back do you think having talked

3343
02:29:27,559 --> 02:29:25,470
to people in the government that

3344
02:29:32,120 --> 02:29:27,569
they know anything at all well I can't

3345
02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:32,130
say that I had gives me more prestige

3346
02:29:36,830 --> 02:29:34,170
than I deserve I haven't talked to

3347
02:29:38,840 --> 02:29:36,840
people in the government but I advise it

3348
02:29:41,179 --> 02:29:38,850
with people in a project Bluebook early

3349
02:29:44,900 --> 02:29:41,189
all right well okay that's 40 years ago

3350
02:29:47,860 --> 02:29:44,910
but I mean I think my best guess and I'm

3351
02:29:50,179 --> 02:29:47,870
don't think I'm too far I think the

3352
02:29:52,219 --> 02:29:50,189
government certainly knows more about

3353
02:29:55,160 --> 02:29:52,229
the certain thing that we do they have

3354
02:29:56,929 --> 02:29:55,170
them camera pictures and they have all

3355
02:30:01,040 --> 02:29:56,939
kinds of things that we don't have

3356
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:01,050
access to but at the bottom line I don't

3357
02:30:05,990 --> 02:30:03,359
think they certainly don't have captured

3358
02:30:09,590 --> 02:30:06,000
saucers I do not believe that I think

3359
02:30:11,780 --> 02:30:09,600
they know more about this than we do and

3360
02:30:14,389 --> 02:30:11,790
certainly more than they want us to know

3361
02:30:16,969 --> 02:30:14,399
but they do not have any proof and they

3362
02:30:19,219 --> 02:30:16,979
don't have any answers and a certain

3363
02:30:21,080 --> 02:30:19,229
degree they are as mystified as we are

3364
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:21,090
that's what I think I think they're more

3365
02:30:26,019 --> 02:30:23,130
mystified because they know more well

3366
02:30:30,139 --> 02:30:26,029
and not only more mystified but you know

3367
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:30,149
there's a problem they are paid you know

3368
02:30:35,090 --> 02:30:32,399
the the military particularly are paid

3369
02:30:38,179 --> 02:30:35,100
to defend this country and if there's

3370
02:30:41,150 --> 02:30:38,189
something out there and up there that

3371
02:30:43,340 --> 02:30:41,160
they can't understand and can't do

3372
02:30:45,320 --> 02:30:43,350
anything about that makes them work

3373
02:30:47,389 --> 02:30:45,330
pretty bad if anybody ever wanted to

3374
02:30:49,519 --> 02:30:47,399
make an issue of that I think that's

3375
02:30:51,889 --> 02:30:49,529
something that probably bothers them a

3376
02:30:55,070 --> 02:30:51,899
great deal yeah I agree a hundred

3377
02:30:56,840 --> 02:30:55,080
percent and how can they how can they be

3378
02:30:58,070 --> 02:30:56,850
in charge and be in control when they're

3379
02:31:00,139 --> 02:30:58,080
not in charge you're not in control of

3380
02:31:02,510 --> 02:31:00,149
the situation they'll never admit that I

3381
02:31:05,059 --> 02:31:02,520
think all these other crunch the other

3382
02:31:06,530 --> 02:31:05,069
countries that are doing the the release

3383
02:31:08,300 --> 02:31:06,540
you know materials I think is just to

3384
02:31:10,700 --> 02:31:08,310
take the heat off the u.s. that's my gut

3385
02:31:14,030 --> 02:31:10,710
feeling on it how much time do we ever

3386
02:31:16,130 --> 02:31:14,040
we have probably about four minutes

3387
02:31:18,050 --> 02:31:16,140
three minutes yeah well I can tell this

3388
02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:18,060
very briefly when I went to the Pentagon

3389
02:31:25,261 --> 02:31:21,210
I say in verse 16 and I was telling the

3390
02:31:27,631 --> 02:31:25,271
public information officer

3391
02:31:32,360 --> 02:31:27,641
about a recent story and that you

3392
02:31:35,940 --> 02:31:32,370
probably remember it was in Brazil two

3393
02:31:37,980 --> 02:31:35,950
social researchers were killed on a

3394
02:31:40,381 --> 02:31:37,990
mountain when they went to a rendezvous

3395
02:31:42,240 --> 02:31:40,391
with a flying saucer and their dead

3396
02:31:44,370 --> 02:31:42,250
bodies were found and the cause of death

3397
02:31:46,560 --> 02:31:44,380
was never learned a very fascinating

3398
02:31:49,711 --> 02:31:46,570
story not very well known and I was

3399
02:31:51,540 --> 02:31:49,721
telling that to this public information

3400
02:31:54,091 --> 02:31:51,550
officer and he was getting very

3401
02:31:56,881 --> 02:31:54,101
interested in attending he said to me

3402
02:32:00,500 --> 02:31:56,891
wait a minute where did you say that

3403
02:32:04,290 --> 02:32:00,510
happen and I said Brazil he said oh well

3404
02:32:06,390 --> 02:32:04,300
we had we only have the mandate to

3405
02:32:08,671 --> 02:32:06,400
defend these disguises in the United

3406
02:32:10,801 --> 02:32:08,681
States if it happened in Brazil I don't

3407
02:32:13,830 --> 02:32:10,811
care what it was and that's just about

3408
02:32:15,540 --> 02:32:13,840
what he said I think that was places do

3409
02:32:17,850 --> 02:32:15,550
you think though that maybe the Air

3410
02:32:21,690 --> 02:32:17,860
Force Project Blue Book was mostly just

3411
02:32:23,640 --> 02:32:21,700
kind of a cover-up or just something for

3412
02:32:26,220 --> 02:32:23,650
public information not to really do

3413
02:32:28,350 --> 02:32:26,230
research well I think it was understood

3414
02:32:30,841 --> 02:32:28,360
as they're pretty much at the time or it

3415
02:32:34,250 --> 02:32:30,851
was exposed one of the few things are

3416
02:32:38,250 --> 02:32:34,260
just a civilian researchers when it was

3417
02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:38,260
definitely a situation where the really

3418
02:32:44,841 --> 02:32:41,290
important cases that might involve

3419
02:32:48,511 --> 02:32:44,851
classified information etc were not

3420
02:32:50,040 --> 02:32:48,521
routed to to cruelty they went

3421
02:32:52,500 --> 02:32:50,050
to another energy that they got the

3422
02:32:55,020 --> 02:32:52,510
merit of now and that's oh yeah Blue

3423
02:32:58,230 --> 02:32:55,030
Book didn't get anything very very

3424
02:33:01,770 --> 02:32:58,240
strange and very important and it didn't

3425
02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:01,780
last that long anyhow it really only if

3426
02:33:06,900 --> 02:33:04,210
I think I remember correctly not more

3427
02:33:09,360 --> 02:33:06,910
than a very few years and then they came

3428
02:33:11,640 --> 02:33:09,370
out with their final report Project Blue

3429
02:33:14,011 --> 02:33:11,650
Book record number 14 which was

3430
02:33:14,961 --> 02:33:14,021
extremely interesting and that's another

3431
02:33:17,610 --> 02:33:14,971
long story

3432
02:33:20,060 --> 02:33:17,620
and then we'd have to bring up the story

3433
02:33:22,680 --> 02:33:20,070
of your friend dr. Leon Davidson the

3434
02:33:25,200 --> 02:33:22,690
scientists who came out with a special

3435
02:33:25,740 --> 02:33:25,210
version of report number 14 from Project

3436
02:33:28,440 --> 02:33:25,750
Blue Book

3437
02:33:30,421 --> 02:33:28,450
that goes beyond the scope of this

3438
02:33:32,520 --> 02:33:30,431
program because the next thing the most

3439
02:33:36,270 --> 02:33:32,530
important task that we can do Jim Mosley

3440
02:33:37,650 --> 02:33:36,280
is to take the next minute or so and you

3441
02:33:37,979 --> 02:33:37,660
can tell our listeners again how they

3442
02:33:40,439 --> 02:33:37,989
can get

3443
02:33:44,670 --> 02:33:40,449
that special issue of sorceress fear

3444
02:33:47,460 --> 02:33:44,680
that has the editorial on the abduction

3445
02:33:50,489 --> 02:33:47,470
measure go ahead yeah I'm dr. Jason say

3446
02:33:53,849 --> 02:33:50,499
well okay once again that's Jim Mosley

3447
02:34:00,840 --> 02:33:53,859
the yo box 109

3448
02:34:03,029 --> 02:34:00,850
I'm 709 Key West Florida 3 304 1 if I'm

3449
02:34:04,380 --> 02:34:03,039
finished and I will be on my way

3450
02:34:06,779 --> 02:34:04,390
well you're not going on your way you're

3451
02:34:09,779 --> 02:34:06,789
staying with us because I need you to

3452
02:34:11,249 --> 02:34:09,789
say one more time Jim what that is is

3453
02:34:12,989 --> 02:34:11,259
because you know people are writing it

3454
02:34:14,699 --> 02:34:12,999
down or stopping their cars you're

3455
02:34:16,529 --> 02:34:14,709
listening to this and I don't want to

3456
02:34:19,050 --> 02:34:16,539
have an accident they don't want to

3457
02:34:22,679 --> 02:34:19,060
engage and distracted driving give them

3458
02:34:32,809 --> 02:34:22,689
the address one more time P o box 1 709

3459
02:34:35,399 --> 02:34:32,819
Key West for Chris O'Brien our friendly

3460
02:34:37,649 --> 02:34:35,409
personable co-host where do we find more

3461
02:34:39,899 --> 02:34:37,659
of the stuff that you do well I have a

3462
02:34:42,929 --> 02:34:39,909
website it's called our strange planet

3463
02:34:44,609 --> 02:34:42,939
oh you are strange planet com it's a

3464
02:34:45,899 --> 02:34:44,619
strange planet we live in it's our

3465
02:34:48,029 --> 02:34:45,909
strange planet

3466
02:34:51,359 --> 02:34:48,039
he also lurks in the power cast forums

3467
02:34:53,579 --> 02:34:51,369
at forum dot para cast calm and from me

3468
02:34:55,739 --> 02:34:53,589
and Chris O'Brien Jim Mosely thank you

3469
02:35:02,000 --> 02:34:55,749
for joining us this week on the power

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02:35:06,041 --> 02:35:03,450
[Music]

3471
02:35:08,410 --> 02:35:06,051
this is a calculated presentation of

3472
02:35:11,080 --> 02:35:08,420
making the impossible incorporated tune

3473
02:35:12,460 --> 02:35:11,090
in next week for a new adventure M

3474
02:35:19,120 --> 02:35:12,470
the para cast

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02:35:24,591 --> 02:35:19,990
[Applause]